B14E
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Topic: B14E
Posted By: Andrewst
Subject: B14E
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 10:15am
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What happened to the B14E? I recently got my hands on a copy of a review of this boat carried out many years ago. Looks cool as a single trapeze version of the B14 with narrower wings and able to take more weight than a 29er. |
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Posted By: Seizure
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 10:31am
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Didn't the "E" Stand for Europe? I'm sure the article said they made it like that because we experience lighter winds (on average) than our antipodean friends, so the B14e was lighter and didn't need the extra leverage. Flip side of the coin is that you can get more leverage off 2 people hiking off racks, so on windy days I guess that makes the B14 faster, and dare I say it, easier to sail? ------------- Helm 49er GBR 531 Crew: Les5269 |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 10:43am
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I'd like to see twin trapezing off the big wings. Surely that would be immense in a blow if you got powered up enough to get out there?!
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Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 10:58am
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It sure would be. However you'd probably want to change the rig, I doubt it would survive with two guys hanging off it... The kite is certainly big enough for twin trap (in fact the whole rig is bigger than an 800's). You can pick them up cheap, so it would probably make quite an interesting project! My mate got quite a good one for £900. On the point of the B14 being easier to sail because its hiking, not really. I have found getting back inside the boat from a trapeze easier than from hiking hard off the wings, so if you hit a lull you're more likely to tea-bag. Otherwise, it's as tippy as you like and massively powered up, especially off-wind. The kite is very unforgiving but hugely quick. I've heard stuff about the B14E but never seen one... don't think the uptake was very good at all. Andrew did the one you saw reviewed have a fixed kite pole? ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: Andrewst
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 11:01am
| No the pole was retractable |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 11:24am
| As I remember the narrow wing/string version got dropped when the Class started to get its International connections working... Again as I remember initially the no string version didn't shift at all in the UK so the single string one was introduced which was more popular. However when teh class got going and it all looked a bit less extreme they managed to drop the odd version. |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 12:18pm
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I think it's called a 49er ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 12:44pm
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Dim distant past but didn't the E stand for exocet? I thought there was 2 versions - B14 in oz and Exocet in Europe one with big wings and one with a single trapeze. Probably wrong, a lot of beer has flowed since then. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 1:00pm
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Exocet was the original name for all B14s, but they dropped the name as it had bad vibes over here for a start...
In a slight rewriting of history Starboard products published this in various places, notably here: http://www.yachting.org.au/news/news.asp?Year=2002&Month=11& MenuID=News%2F10537%2F0
I say slight rewriting of history because the Falklands war was of course in '83 and was the only reason anyone had heard the name Exocet outside the military... The B14E was later than 89 IIRC. |
Posted By: boatshed
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 1:09pm
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JimC is pretty much on the money and it may even have been called an Exocet at one time ??? I friend of mine considered making the jib self tacking, adding a shute and coverting a B14 to a trapeze single hander. The thinking being that one person trapezing is about the same as two hiking. Call the men in white coats. ------------- Steve |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 1:15pm
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I'm not sure I agree with that. If this were true, then the CofG of the righting moment of the single person would need to move double the distance away from the centre of the boat. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 3:28pm
so if you were REALY tall... ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 3:38pm
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That would be a seriously hard boat to sail! The foredeck arrangement does not allow for a chute in any way really. Due to the kite pole being in a tube underneath the foredeck, the chute would have to be set rather far back and off centre... If you were to singlehand it you'd need a jib sheet system similar to the Swift Solo, as the jib is a rather powerful 5.2 sq/m... it can send you in quite easily. Strawb is right, as when you hike remember most of your body is off the sides of the racks - so one guy about 3 feet further out than that won't be the same as two guys 3 feet in. ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 6:15pm
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The Exocet originally had a fixed glass pole, and a bendy glass mast tip.
The B14E ( European for light winds ) had a bigger jib, one trapeze, with one-piece alloy mast. Later this variant disappeared, but the 'new' B14 had the bigger jib and the wide sitting-out wings. |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 7:18pm
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I thought that in between being Exocet and B14, it was 'Extrovert' as well. At least it was in an old dinghy class id book I had as a nipper. ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 8:07pm
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Not sure the coloured sails did the boat any favours...
Someone might correct me, but I think the class allowed a free choice between narrow racks + trapeze and wide racks + hiking, and evidently people preferred hiking for some reason. |
Posted By: Andrewst
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 9:58pm
| Can you set up a B14 with a trapeze and move the racks in far enough to use the boat as shown is those pictures. |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 10:11pm
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no, the racks on a B14 are fixed both position and width. Im not sure if the new or older mast would support a trap. as if im not mistaken it has a join in it where it goes from ali to glass ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Andrewst
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 10:37pm
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I believe the B14E as reviewed had an ali mast with a glass tip. It does look a lot of fun with the trapeze. |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 10:44pm
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REALLY gay colour scheme though ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 11:01pm
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i kno im going to regret saying this but the hull looks the same colour as 300 hulls just we dont have the gay sails ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 26 Oct 06 at 11:14pm
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http://asso.ffv.fr/b14/Pages/Rules/rules95.htm - http://asso.ffv.fr/b14/Pages/Rules/rules95.htm ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 8:03am
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Jim, that would of course be 1982!! ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 9:46am
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I reckon the carbon rig would support one trap fairly easily, although you'd need to find a place to attach the traps. Otherwise from the photos it looks the same, the bigger racks look like they would go straight on. The only difference seems to be the jib sheeting - further back for the bigger jib I guess. There is something in French on the net about LDC offering conversion kits for the B14E to convert it to the B14 we all know and love today - probably from back when LDC were marketing them. ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 10:51am
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The b14e looks how the 4000 should have been designed. Lighter, bigger rags, but without that truely awful colour scheme!
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