Where do you keep your knife?
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Topic: Where do you keep your knife?
Posted By: English Dave
Subject: Where do you keep your knife?
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 2:12pm
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I used to keep mine in the front pocket of my buoyancy aid. However, a few months ago I capsized and my crew, somehow, managed to fall between the boom and the sail, hooking himself onto the bottom batten. The cat then inverted. Initially I thought he would easily swim out but as the seconds passed I started going for my knife to cut through the tramp to release him. I got the knife out but my hands were too wet and cold to unclasp the blade. Eventually I dived in and, found him and dragged him out just in time. Not nice. I realised that having a knife was bugger all use if I couldn't get to it. So now I have a small dive knife mounted on my dolphin-striker that I can easily get to at any time. Anyone with similar experiences or thoughts? ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 2:18pm
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I know what you mean though I dont tend to carry one with me when im sailing as i only have a penknife and its hard to open at the best of times certianly not easy when cold and in a sticky situation. Though when i am on rescue I always keep my fixed blade knife just beyond my knee on the side of the console with a secondary flip blade knife there too. (just incase) ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Rob D
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 2:20pm
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The 18s have a class rule that we all carry a knife on the port side of our ruder gantries. That way we ALL know where the knife is. ------------- Rob Dulson Ex Base 1 Skiff Team |
Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 2:22pm
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Good rule!! ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 2:29pm
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Yeah that is a good rule but that is one of the classes that is more likely to actualy need a knife than most. you couldnt justify applying that to something like a laser - it is down to the choice of the crew to cary one or not then. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 2:42pm
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You are more likely to get into trouble in a 18' than a Laser, agreed. But ALL classes are obliged to race with adequate third party insurance, regardless of the likelyhood that it will be needed. So I think we are on dodgy ground if we only consider knives to be necessary for certain classes. But my point was that clasp-knifes are difficult to open in a hurry/emergency. And it's difficult to find a sheathed knife that can be comfortably kept on your person. ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 3:06pm
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Prob the best thing is diving knife in a secure sheaf attached to your boyancy aid. Hmm should really sort that out for myself as i've got a couple of scuba diving knives. Also add a pirate flag and a cutless and you could really get into the sailing spirit. ------------- Finn GBR 657 - Blown It Laser 164635 Planet Earth: 30% Land, 70% race course! |
Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 3:20pm
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Careful with that cutlass, you might get an eyepatch and peg-leg into the bargain. ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 3:42pm
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Diving knives are essential, you can get small ones that don't get in the way. Best to go to a proper diving shop for a good selection. I think the guy at the shop thought I was mad when I said I might have to stab with it so I need a sharp point (talking about cutting the trampoline). ------------- |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 4:27pm
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i have a flip knife that i keep on my toestraps or in my spraytop (worn over bouncy aid, its more comfy) i dont find it hard to open the knife but i havent had to use it in anger. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 4:29pm
I would of thought the simplest idea would be to put a zip in ALL Cat tramps? ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 5:09pm
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Which is good untill it gets wet, corrodes and is impossible to use. I wouldn't have thought a plastic one would last under crew weight falling on it. Good Idea in principle though. ------------- www.sailfd.org/GBR - GBR Flying Dutchman |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 5:18pm
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a velcro pocket may be better ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 5:26pm
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I have a special pocket I have added to the side of my rooster ba. Rick ------------- |
Posted By: No. 5
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 5:58pm
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I keep a diving knife in the front pocket of my ba. Both the knife and sheath are on lanyards fastened to the ba, the knife lanyard is about six feet long so I can give the knife to someone else to use but I keep the lanyard in a bunch to keep it tidy, the bunch is secured by self almagating tape, this allows the bunch to unravel with a smart tug. I also keep the blade coated with vaseline to prevent rust and I never use the knife for mundane jobs to keep it sharp. A blunt, rusty knife may not be much use if it comes to the crunch. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 8:16pm
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We've copied the 18s and have a knife in a sheave on the port side of our transom bar. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 10:39pm
I'm not a fan of the idea of waving around a sharp blade in a state of painc. So I have one like this in my life vest... ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 10:54pm
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I used to carry my knife in my ba but i dont like wearing my ba on top of everything so couldnt get at it so it is now on an elastic lanyard arround my kneck and gets tucked into the top layer i am wearing. or it gets tied into the pocked on my high tops if im in a safety boat, instructing or yachting.
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 11:03pm
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i keep a big fish safety knife on the gantry of my cherub for quick grap action and also have a gerber easy out knive in my ba both knives are always washed in fresh water after i've been sailing to stop them rusting ------------- |
Posted By: Jimbob
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 11:27pm
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I believe single handed sailors should carry a knife on the person and it should be easily accessible to either hand. A knife won't be much good if it is attached to some part of the boat which is out of reach in an emergency. The knife should be a fixed pointed blade.
I carry mine in a sheath lying across the front of my buoyancy aid to which it is attached by means of velcro. Some buoyancy aids have a strip of velcro built in as part of the construction. But if not it can be sewn/stuck on. The knife is also attached to an elastic lanyard long enough to allow me to reach any part of my body, and to ensure I don't drop and lose the knife in the heat of the moment. ------------- Jimbob |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 12:25am
Unless your using really thin elastic, couldnt that be quite dangerous? Lets say your reaching down to cut your leg free of a mainsheet, or are stretching to cut something and you drop the knife, or the knife slips out of your hand. You will have a sharp knife heading at quite high speed towards your neck / head .. Be it blunt end or sharp end, it could still do a bit of damage. Its better than drowning etc I know, but still something you have to think of? ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 8:16am
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Thats a fair point but i suppose if it only stretched a little bit it would be ok nd it would take alot of stretching to have enough energy to fly all the way back up
------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk">  BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 9:40am
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Yeah the elastic is very thin and it also quite long so it never has to stretch all that far. If im using it to cut something on the boat between races or whatever i quite often take it off from arround my kneck first.
<<goes to get knife>> Having just tried it even if im cutting something with the elastic tensioned then when i let go it doesnt move that far. -------------
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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 1:20pm
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How do you cut through the middle of a sail or tramp with one though? ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 2:01pm
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Either in the kitchen or the bedroom depending on whether I'm hungry or horny.... Oops, think I misread the subject. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 20 Oct 06 at 8:01pm
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i also have a rooster big fish knife, but have never had to use it in anger. now that i think about it, i couldn't cut a sail or a tramp in the middle, but if you did, how could you be sure tht your crew/helm wasn't on the other side about to get stabbed? luckily i don't generally sail on cats so the tramp shouldn't be too much of a problem. ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 21 Oct 06 at 8:10am
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I would prefer to get cut by my crew slightly as they tried to save themselves than have them drown. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 21 Oct 06 at 5:03pm
I don't sail a cat so not a big issue for me, but depending on the design of the tramp, cut from the side / open edge. The tramps going to be shagged anyway if you cut it in the middle. And the same thing on the sail. Obviously if you are single handed sailing then you are going to need a pointed knife about your person to do this, when trapped. Although the reason you are trapped is because you are hung up on some string in the first place. So go to the route of the problem and use your safety knife to cut this away rather than trash your tramp or sails. For this reason, as well as weight saving we used to use vectran or hertsog ( whatever it was called ) for the trap lines on the Cherub so you can cut yourself free easy. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 21 Oct 06 at 6:43pm
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what so you use rope instead of wire for the actual trapeze wires? good idea, might try that next time i need to replace one. ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 21 Oct 06 at 7:31pm
Check your class rules first, it is illegal to use rope for trapeeze wires on F18's ------------- |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 21 Oct 06 at 7:48pm
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Doesn't even have to be the expensive hertzog/proline stuff, I just use really thin dyneema on the Cherub and it works just fine. However the hertzog is way cooler and you can adjust the height of the cleat with a splice. ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: katg
Date Posted: 22 Oct 06 at 8:56pm
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I used to keep mine in my BA but after quite alot of capsizes it rubbed a hole in the pocket so now the pockets usless for anything, quite surprized that no one ever caught us in school actually carrying around our kit with a knife in every tuesday but u know, bk to the title lost my knife in the summer so havn't had one since, and luckly havn't needed it
------------- Topaz Race Plus 860 |
Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 22 Oct 06 at 11:42pm
Not sure how confidat Id be about finding a rope under water with this knife, Ive found it quite hard with dive knifes when un proping props. ------------- Lark 2170 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 10:46am
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Well it's all horses for courses but, and I stress I haven't had to cut my self
free yet, that the jaws guide the rope into the blade and that with increased forward pressure cuts the rope, so you can do it one handed. I would of thought it would be easier that a conventional blade and safer. Especially with a tight rope around a part of you body. I got mine well before they were available in the sailing market from a Prison / Sercuirty supplies bussiness. They are used in custody situations where pressumably having put some cable ties around some nutter you need to get him out of them without the said nutter stabbing you with the tool you used to set him free. I just thought it would be a better bet than a 5" blade. Seemed safer sailing in the Cherub fleet some how.  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 11:15am
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2 interesting points. 1. Never been sure about wearing a spray top over a BA. We always avoided that in canoeing as sometimes you need to get your BA off quickly as it can contribute to trapping situations, allegedly. 2. So you can't use rope as trapeze wires on an F!8 despite the fact they are safer as they can be easily cut. Someone needs to take the rules bods for the class round the back of the sailing club and give them some conceptual re-alignment!! ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 11:23am
I agree entirely, I wouldn't be supprised if this rule does change through safety issues. ------------- |
Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 12:05pm
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it's 6 and one half doezn with rope trapeze wires, as it's easiar to get tangled in them in the first place. it's difficult to get tangled in a wire.
------------- www.sailfd.org/GBR - GBR Flying Dutchman |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 1:08pm
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As the trapeze lines are held tensioned I would suggest it would be quite hard to get wrapped in them, and when you do a hazard analysis the main risk from trap wires is remaining clipped in when a boat inverts. Risk of wrapping is probably worst from spinny sheets. ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: tornado435
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 1:44pm
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Unfortunately in a big pitchpole the elastic has a tendency to snap. This is when the rope lines can become pretty dangerous. I have rope on my Tornado and I like them on a day to day basis, just not sure I trust them yet! |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 2:01pm
Ture. Sod it... and the weight, I'm off to get some wire cutters and stick them in my BA. In fact the thing to get is one of those Jedi aqua lung things and then you can leave all the saftey kit at home and watch all the fish till the saftey boat comes over and sticks your pin at the sky again! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 2:41pm
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 3:59pm
and then you can leave all the saftey kit at home and watch all the fish till the saftey boat comes over and sticks your pin at the sky again! [/
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not sure they have the Aqualung in stock yet. 
http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/69de/ ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 23 Oct 06 at 4:31pm
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Lol, not sure that I can cut my enimies arm off with one of those though. ------------- Lark 2170 |