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Topic: Kevlar
Posted By: Harry44981!
Subject: Kevlar
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 3:55pm
Didn't know where to put this really.

For my AS Physics coursework I'm doing a presentation on Kevlar, it's properties and uses (particularly for sails). I was thinking of comparing it to other materials eg: dacron.

Have any of you got any information/links/contacts that could give me soem usefull info (i know the next issue of Y&Y will probably help.)

Cheers

harry44981@tiscali.co.uk



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Posted By: Ian99
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 4:03pm

You might find this useful...

http://www.sail-making.com/dbimgs/1%20All%20About%20Sailcloth%20End%20User.pdf - http://www.sail-making.com/dbimgs/1%20All%20About%20Sailclot h%20End%20User.pdf

There are others on there as well.

 



Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 5:45pm
Carbon now seems to be getting use in sails too. I understand the properties of each but nothing about sail design. When would one would be desirable over the other in a sail?


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 5:53pm
Does this help: http://www.cherub.org.au/choosingrags.html - http://www.cherub.org.au/choosingrags.html

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Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 10:45pm
Harry remember "Kevlar" is a registered trademark... don't get sued for trademark infringment!  

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Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 17 Oct 06 at 2:03pm

Harry

Aramid is the scientific name for Kevlar, Wombat is right.

It is used as the fibre matrix in laminate composite sails because it is light for its strength and does not stretch or creep. Unfortunately it is degraded massively by UV light and doesn't get on well with salt and abrasion. So it's important to encase it well and make it the middle part of the sandwich.

Dacron is another trade name for a polyester cloth that is the basis for most traditional boat sails (Laser, Topper, etc). It doesn't give the same strength to weight ratio as composite but it is cheaper and less fragile. For this reason, even on high perfromance boats, it is often used for jibs which will spend more of their lives flapping than a mainsail.

Kevlar ropes are a nightmare to work with as they are difficult to cut and kevlar doesn't melt so heat-sealing a line is difficult. Also, becasue they don't stretch or creep, you get no warning before they do fail. So don't use Aramid-cored ropes for climbing.



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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 17 Oct 06 at 9:17pm
Cheers for the tips guys- really helped with my research

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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 4:43pm
Another question: the Kevlar are the actuall gold thread in the sail the take the strainin the sail. What is the water-resistant laminate that goes either side of the fibres generally made from?

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Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 10:55am

Most laminate sails use Mylar but I'm not sure about Kevlar sails as I've never owned one. Mylar is another trade name I'm afraid - the stuff is actually called biaxially oriented polyethelene terephthalate and it's used because it's tough and chemically very stable.  Get in touch with North Sails - they do a lot of the hi-tech stuff. Also I see that Y&Y have a feature on sail technology in the next issue. In the UK, Hyde sails are very approachable, give them a call.

The idea behind all composite materials is that the fibres of the reinforcement material, whether it be glass, carbon or kevlar are aligned to give they greatest tensile strength in the desired direction. The matrix is the "filler" and is there to keep the fibres in the right position and transfer the load if a single fibre breaks. In the case of sails, Kevlar is the reinforcement and Mylar the matrix. For GRP the glass fibres give the strength and the resin (epoxy or polyester) fills the gap.

Because woven materials have the weft and weave at right angles, sail makers can create strength in particular directions by stitching together panels in different orientations. North's 3D technology enables the whole sail to be laid up in one go so no panels are needed. In theory. However, this is expensive to make and one tear trashes the whole sail rather than a panel so those of us without Americas Cup budgets tend to go for a compromise.

Hope this helps. If there are any mistakes in the above I'm sure someone else will correct them.



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http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club

(You'd think I'd be better at it by now)

Hurricane 5.9 SX
RS700



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