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Topic: Student Nationals
Posted By: olly_love
Subject: Student Nationals
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 12:07pm

Is anyone going to the student nationals.

i am going to sail my old 14 there. it is a top even and is a great laugh just everyone getting peeved and having a laugh.

 



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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 12:52pm
Where do you manage to get you 2 new kites from? Mine is running on the super thin light air one since the normal is trashed.


Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by olly_love

... a great laugh just everyone getting peeved and having a laugh.

I don't remember being particularly peeved last time I did it - mind you that was a quarter of a century ago, maybe students are less happy these days

Mike



Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 2:34pm

I think you're trying to be too accurate Mike. I've got the sneaky suspicion Ollie's telling us that everyone is getting inebriated.

They should provide a glossary of approximate terms for old fogies like us. I always admire those who state their opinion "defiantly", unless they mean "definitely". And have you noticed how slow they want to be? Every weekend, they're always braking something...



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Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by Black no sugar

They should provide a glossary of approximate terms for old fogies like us. I always admire those who state their opinion "defiantly", unless they mean "definitely". And have you noticed how slow they want to be? Every weekend, they're always braking something...

 

Maybe you need to start a "ask BNS" thread covering the finner points of grammer and spelling for us. Im sure Pierre and some of the others can help out on it as well  



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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 3:34pm
Lucy, we've been through this before.  Don't make me come up there and give you a thrashing....


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

as we said t'up north; 'my drinking team has a sailing problem'.

"there's too much blood in my alcohol system"



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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:25pm
Where/when is it? might be able to drag a group down...

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:29pm
Weymouth on November 4th and 5th! I'll be there with the cherub. Don't remember much about the last 2 years, although I can definitely tell you that it was AWESOME. You have to get peeved to find sailing a laser 2 enjoyable! 

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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:34pm
just down the road then!

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:37pm
Well Ben it was your choice to choose a uni so bloody far away! 

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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:41pm

I'll be out in Weymouth on the Friday night



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:43pm
RENDEZVOUS!!!! 

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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:46pm
Rendezvous then Dusk when Rendezvous closes...

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:48pm
Dusk eh? I can't say I have visited this establishment. Where was that place you went after rendezvous Strawberry?! 

Just noticed that was my 1000th post.


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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:55pm
TT, you're thinking of Scotland. The place I went after rendez vous was much more uncomfortable and cold and expensive.

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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by timnoyce

Well Ben it was your choice to choose a uni so bloody far away! 


Well I figured it would be a good idea to sample some of this heavy drinking northern and scottish sailing scene that mr TT talks about.

Il let you know if I ever get over this hangover...


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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:56pm
both incidents involving pigs though eh 

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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:58pm


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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 5:39pm

isis where have u gone to uni.

ur not a v neck are u

come to the even the more the merrier just be warned that it is a P course so i am screwed for the 14 with a massive kite.

and i got one kite given to me by someone on the forum and have been offered to buy one by a guy on the 14 website.

 



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 5:53pm
Is it defs a P course? I had a feeling it was either a P or an Olympic course? If its windy then we will be screwed on either for any of the reaches! Just gotta hope it's a big course i guess!

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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by olly_love

isis where have u gone to uni.
 



Glasgow


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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 6:47pm

got to hope for a nice winward leward. fly down those downwind legs

but am almost sure that it is a p course

and isis thank god u didnt go to southampton uni



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Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 14 Oct 06 at 1:50am
I will be then in an 800. I even think Olly, you are at the same uni??? Solent?


Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 14 Oct 06 at 10:34am

yea im at solent.

how are u getting down there

and u got ur place in the house yet



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Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 15 Oct 06 at 10:11pm

Make sure you are entered by the 26th of October as there is no entry’s taken after that.

Yes it is a P course and it is a nightmare

I will be the in the musto skiff, for Solent uni



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 12:52am
Originally posted by olly_love

got to hope for a nice winward leward. fly down those downwind legs

I can't imagine any responsible race office setting a w/l for a multi class event. There are so many classes that they are just mindlessly boring for.


Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 7:55pm

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by olly_love

got to hope for a nice winward leward. fly down those downwind legs

I can't imagine any responsible race office setting a w/l for a multi class event. There are so many classes that they are just mindlessly boring for.

 

Were as every one following each other down a reach is so much fun and tactical taxing?

At least on a run there is tactical options!



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18ft Skiff Ronstan UK
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 8:06pm
Do you honestly think there are no tactical considerations on a shy reach?

I love having a shy reach in the track from time to time, the judgement of when to hoist, the struggle to get up to the mark if you hoist too early, the art of following the gusts down and the lulls up so that you make the mark going max speed all the way...

The sheer survival element as you try and find a bit of wave thats going up at the right moment to stop a pitchpole...

The distance that you can put in on the opposition if you get it right, and (unfortunately, the amount they can catch you if you stuff up)...

Getting to do some flat out reaching not soaking down all day...


Windwards leewards are OK for boats that are 100% powered up all day everyday, or for boring leadmines that don't go any faster no matter what you do with them, but anything else - no thanks.


Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 8:53pm
Even in slow boats eg: toppers i hated reaches with a passion, unless it was really howling. In medium winds or less they become luffing matches with people climbing really high.  In 200s I also hate reaches for the same reason- if someone goes over the top of you then your kite collapses and you are stuffed,  not fun.

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Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 9:10pm

ok if the wind is up they are good fun. but if it is light they are just dull

But in a handicap event they can be unfair. Lets just say the gybe mark is just right for me in my musto skiff then the RS800 sailors will have to soak down to it and the 49ers wont be able to lay it.

Who would win that race?



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Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 9:40pm

The boat that makes the right tactical decision will probably win. The 49er might go really high and try to hoist later, the musto (in your scenario) would sail point to point, the 800 might try something else, hoist and go high, sail beyond the mark and gybe once you reach the other lay line for it, the boat that sails the best leg for their boat will more than likley win the leg. Or at least limit the damage if the boat doesn't reach well.

At the SGP recently we had several different reaches, Some favoured us in the FD, some favoured the laser 2's who can almost beat with their kite. The 505's have their own paticular favorite. On some occasions we decided the best way to get to the mark was to fly and stay as high as possible and then drop the kite and beat up to it, we were never going to fetch the gybe mark so we just went as fast as possible in it's general direction. The 505's with their Monster kites on tried to fly then got taken low by a gust. They went with massive speed as high as they could and dropped, and still won the leg.

Mind you at the SGP we sailed a knitting pattern, a trapezoid outer loop, a inner loop trapezoid, a couple of sausage triangles and a P as courses. Maybe PRO's for handicap events should be encouraged to run several different courses throughout the weekend, if nothing else it makes it more interesting than the standard olympic or windward leeward.    



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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 11:01pm

Also depends how windy it is, we might just go straight for the pin on a reach because 49ers do 2 sail reaching pretty quickly in higher wind strengths. Some Aussie sailors have been claiming the boat is quickest when its windy on a 2 sail reach, and their GPS recordings have been supporting the theory....

Hope the event goes well and everybody has fun. We are not entering our boat this year.



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Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 17 Oct 06 at 12:12pm

Originally posted by Harry44981!

Even in slow boats eg: toppers i hated reaches with a passion, unless it was really howling. In medium winds or less they become luffing matches with people climbing really high.  In 200s I also hate reaches for the same reason- if someone goes over the top of you then your kite collapses and you are stuffed,  not fun.

Yep, The RS200 fleet does have a habit of playing funny tricks on you on tight reaches.....just make sure you head high first when you round the mark then bear away and get the burst of speed before the other boats do it to you, otherwise you're stuffed......as we found out a few times this year

Generally though......unless you have a part of the course that is very tight, it's better to try and sail lower as quickly as you can, unless its blowing then you head up for speed and bear away as soon as the speed comes on, but the RS200 kite will lose it's shape very quickly if you use it on tight reaches too often......a lot of the boats at the nationals had completely stuffed their kites within the week just because they were comstantly tight-reaching when they should have been bearing off more.

If you do have to sail on tight reaches as part of the course though.....have the luff always curling just slightly......esp when its windy. We were the only RS200 at the RS pursuit this year at Datchet that could carry the kite on the tight reach beacuse we were having the luff on the curl slightly....all the other boats had to two sail it....which was slow as we gained miles on them by carrying the kite.



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