Windward mark to port
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Topic: Windward mark to port
Posted By: Rupert
Subject: Windward mark to port
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 8:43pm
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OK, this happened on Sunday. I'm coming into a mark, on the layline, on port and tacking round it to port. A boat which has over stood the mark comes down from the windward side on a close reach (also on port) and demands water. Am I right in thinking that I don't have to give him room, as it is a windward mark, even though he would have water at another mark? I forced him to tack off and go round, as I was always taught that at the windward mark you take the mark away, and then you have a windward boat situation. Am I right, or have the rules changed, or was I always wrong? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 8:51pm
If I'm reading it right, I would say that as your both on port ,he's windward boat so has to keep clear, but I'm a little confused how he could be coming in from windward and on port  . ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 8:52pm
| I'm fairly sure it has always been the case that boats in that situation would have to give room, as long as you are overlapped at the two boat circle, ovbiously. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 9:07pm
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Really difficult to describe, easy to draw. He has over stood the mark, and is reaching down to it. Do I have to bear away from the mark, having got the lay line right, or can I carry on and make him go the wrong side. Obviously, I can't on a leeward mark, but on a windward mark it would seem that I was being punished for getting the angles right? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 9:12pm
| As I said, if he doesn't have an overlap at the two boat length circle you can push him up (subject to giving room to keep clear), but if you are overlapped then you have to let him round inside. |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 09 Oct 06 at 9:14pm
| The rules don't distinguish between windward marks and other marks. |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 8:08am
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Yes they do, but not in the situation described. Rule 18 does not apply between boats on opposite tacks at a windward mark. Since both boats were on port here, rule 18 does apply and the windward boat was entitled to room. When This Rule Applies Rule 18 applies when boats are about to round or pass a mark they arerequired to leave on the same side, or an obstruction on the same side,until they have passed it. However, it does not apply (a) at a starting mark surrounded by navigable water or at its anchorline from the time the boats are approaching them to start untilthey have passed them, or (b) while the boats are on opposite tacks, either on a beat to windwardor when the proper course for one of them, but not both, toround or pass the mark or obstruction is to tack.
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 8:11am
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No, you are being punished for approaching a port-hand windward mark on port, because it puts a windward boat on the inside. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 11:45am
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Fair enough Stefan! Though it would have been difficult on this particular course to do anything else. Luckily, it is a situation that comes up rarely. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: tornado435
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 12:00pm
| Happened to me on saturday. Scary when it's tornado's and you've also got a row of Starboard boats coming into the mark. Still it was made a lot better by the fact that the Starboard boats were Leigh Macmillan and Rob Wilson. |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 12:50pm
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Ity is so much nicer when you are in a "tight spot" and you know the people around you know what they are doing ! ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 12:56pm
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I've done this a couple of times when it's windy as I get buried easily on a large ACH start but am quick upwind and very quick when freed off a little. My tactic is to overstand to the left to get clear air and reach down over the whole fleet taking my chances on a gap in the starboard layline procession. Won on Sunday doing this! ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: tornado435
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 1:40pm
| I was just nervous about me not knowing and T boning one of them. Don't think they would be overly happy as it is the qualifiers for next years worlds. But I was at the windward mark at the same time as them. Must keep eating the pies, pity I got left for dust downwind |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 1:52pm
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------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: tornado435
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 2:04pm
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But the pies help upwind Just need a bigger flappy thing at the front |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 10 Oct 06 at 3:09pm
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You didn't get the angles right. - It's always been dodgy to approach a windward mark right on the port layline and nowadays it's extremely inadvisable. If however you'd tacked 2 -3 boatlengths earlier, you'd have approached 2 - 3 boatlengths below the mark. That would have been (comparitively) safe when subsequently tacking in front of any starboard boats and you'd have nailed the overstanding port tacker. |