Top Brit ...?
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Topic: Top Brit ...?
Posted By: Guest
Subject: Top Brit ...?
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 3:40pm
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Just reading this report. http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=23456 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=23456 Do they really care about top brit ... I would have thought winning the event would have been the objective. Top Brit only has any meaning if the event is a qualifier for the Olympic slot. Rick |
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:18pm
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BUT it's always useful when getting sponsorship to show that the media to publish things. If I was sponsoring him and the boat was named "sponsered by letshaveachat.com" I would be much happier that he got a mention than if he had not. Does it mean anything, no, but it will help the sponsers......(if you have any). ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:21pm
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If I am sponsoring someone I want to sponsor the winner not just the best Brit ... ------------- |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:23pm
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yea but british companys probaly won't sponser foreign sailors so i think best brit is Quite good, as long as they do also mention the winner ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk">  BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:37pm
Think about that for a bit Rick. Sponsorship is a wobbly old game. Depending on your brand a glorious loser can do wonders. Something you should know as a marketer. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:54pm
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I have never been one for great losers. Eddie the Eagle was an embarresment to Team GBR ... Rick ------------- |
Posted By: BigFatStan
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 4:54pm
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You want to sponsor the winner rather than the top Brit? It's already proven that the top brit is going to get more publicity in (presumably) your marketplace. That would appear to be the best commercial use of your sponsorship pound. Of course they'd get even more publicity if they won... But, actually I am interested in who is top Brit, especially as in this case it is not who I expected. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 5:00pm
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I mention this not in the context of sponsorship but more about what the goals of the sailors are and how their achievements are reported. I am sure all our Team GBR sailors want to win every event they attend and that their position relative to other Team GBR sailors is only of interest if it is a qualification regatta. We have a great squad of sailors that have won loads of gongs over the recent years; top Brit is of interest but not what the goal is ... Rick ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 20 Sep 06 at 5:22pm
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Did you notice in the report he dropped out of the top 10 and into 7th...?! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 1:32am
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If that was a report I would suggest it was written and submitted by the said "top Brit" purely for the purposes of publicity and to attract sponsorship. Saying "I finished 7th" isn't going to sell that well so he has gone for top Team GBR sailor and beat Mr. Goodison...and the result would have been much better if only the wind was stronger. But maybe I am just cynical. ------------- One step forwards, 2 steps back... |
Posted By: Sarah B
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 8:42am
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Perhaps finishing 'Top Brit' is not as bad as it sounds - Blackburn who won, has taken 12 years of trying to win the Worlds! Given Scott was youth world champion in 2005, finishing in top ten seems pretty good, plus a probable bump up the funding ladder.
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Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 9:52am
Sorry Rick but that sort of statement just winds me up. So are you saying that everyone who does not win whatever the event in question may be is a loser? And how would you describe yourself in this context? ------------- One step forwards, 2 steps back... |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 12:34pm
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Miiiiaaaaaaaaaaow! Down Blobby, good boy... Handbags away please ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 2:49pm
So, Rick, should all open reports should just say that person A won and not mention the others ? ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 3:20pm
Now then calm down chaps don't get this all about face. That is not what I ment and you know that. Everyone who enters a competition is worthy and without a fleet we would of course have no winners. What I was saying is I'm not into the sort of media hype that is created around poor performance. Eddie the Eagle is the classis case ,,, Now when it comes to event reports I think the report should cover things that are newsworthy and of interest; I would suggest this would include; - Details of the winners A report simply can't mention everyone who shows up but I think if it covers the above points then it's a fair job. Rick ------------- |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 3:35pm
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Very true. I think that it is good to make note of the best improvers too as it gives them a mental pat on the back and gives some sort of reward for their efforts. Eddie the Eagle is one... that swimmer a few years ago was another case point Rick. How he even got to the games was a myth to me. He may have been the best from his village but to watch that at an elite event was a joke. All of the british development squad would have been faster than him but they didn't get a chance for their big break. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 3:44pm
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I reckon I'd have had a chance of beating that swimmer ... Here is an event report that I think ticks all the boxes. http://www.mustoskiff.com/reports-and-news/2006/tide-ride.htm - http://www.mustoskiff.com/reports-and-news/2006/tide-ride.ht m Mentions; - The winners ------------- |
Posted By: 422797
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 4:24pm
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Posted By: 422797
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 4:28pm
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Yeah but you have to understand that, the Musto Skiff report is only good because it fits your purpose, ie promoting the class as a whole and providing an overview of the event to those who are interested. If you look at the 'Top Brit' report you will notice it is written by the RYA who's interests are promoting British sailors at events as well as providing info about the event. I do not like reporting like this but you must realise a report serves as both an advert and a way of getting info to those interested (plus people like to see their name somewhere.) |
Posted By: Hobbo
Date Posted: 21 Sep 06 at 4:49pm
Eric the Eel?!  Seeing him make the second round made my day------------- Contender GBR 362 Osprey 1318 - IVplay SSC |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 2:03am
Poor performance? You are kidding aren't you Rick. Scotts' was an excellent performance and well worthy of a report. Perhaps the main point here is that the event report from the Laser Class association did concentrate on the first few places http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=23454 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=23454 That report presumably goes to all mags and websites worldwide. The RYAs' report told us how the Brits did - and as I want to know about that I see nothing boring or wrong about the RYA providing Y&Y with just such a report. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 9:57am
Hector - that is a complete misquote. That comment was in reference to the media circus that followed Eddie the Eagle not the report on the laser worlds. The result of Scott was excellent - my comment was that reporting this Top Brit diminishes that results - I'd have said that reporting the actual result would have been more worthy. Rick ------------- |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 1:30pm
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Apologies Rick - I do disagree with your first post so there was a little devilment in cherry picking that quote. But you did bring Eddie the Eagle into the discussion as a 'classic case' (of media hype) which did seem to infer that the report on Scott (and others) whilst not a 'classic case' was to some degree the same. Again, there was an article from the Laser Association that was the 'worthy report' you wanted giving all the usual details of winners etc. So what is wrong with the RYA doing an extra report on how the Brits did? I think most of us want to know about the Brits performance. RE Objectives - How do we know what Scotts objectives were and whether he acheived them? We're told objectives should be acheivable / realistic. For Scott in this Championship a realistic objective could well have been a Top Ten result - which he acheived. His longer term objective may well be Olympic Gold / World Champion - but it would be unrealistic for that to be his target this year. Others may have underperformed against their objectives but I doubt if Scott did. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 2:09pm
Yes a report on the performance of the Brits is most interesting but I was not commenting on that rather the presentation - I'd have rather seen a headline like "Up and coming british youth achieves an excellent 7th at the Laser World Championships" Putting the achievement in contect of the fleet rather than just saying he was the best brit - all the brits could have been at the back of the fleet ... Rick ------------- |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 3:26pm
| Rick, the fact that you still remember Eddie the Eagle almost 20 years after his moment of fame indicates that anyone who sponsored him would probably have done very nicely out of it. Can you remember anyone else in the 1988 GBR Winter Olympics team (without cheating and looking them up)? |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 3:37pm
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Stefan, If I walked into your family Christmas dinner and stood up on the table and took off all my cloths and danced a jig I am sure all those present would remember me for many years to come. But ... would they remember me for values of which I could be proud and a sponsor would want be be connected with? regards, Rick PS Sorry for those who are now stuck with an unplesant mental image.
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 3:51pm
| We are not prudes, so you'd probably be remembered with humour and affection. As, for the most part, is Eddie. |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 4:17pm
I bet we could get Forum members to sponsor that! |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 4:40pm
I am not for hire ... sorry. ------------- |
Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 5:41pm
dam my christmas is over ------------- Lark 2170 |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 5:55pm
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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 6:28pm
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So Rick, when did you leave Painesville, and did it live up to its name? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1075203/ - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1075203/ Don't you find sailing on salt-water plays havoc with your hair and how does it affect your modelling career?
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 28 Sep 06 at 8:07pm
All my hair fell out and the 6 pack dissapeared ------------- |
