Foiling 18' skiff
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Topic: Foiling 18' skiff
Posted By: iain
Subject: Foiling 18' skiff
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 12:45am

http://www.jeanpierreziegert.ch/06_video.html - http://www.jeanpierreziegert.ch/06_video.html
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Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 8:12am
Just proves that you have to have something loose to sail the 18ft skiff. To put foils on a platform as already unstable as this requires some sort of insanity - beautiful insanity, but insanity none the less
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 8:37am
AWESOME!!!!
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 9:08am
Originally posted by Contender 541
a platform as already unstable as this |
An 18 isn't that unsteady a platform. Especially if your starting point is a Moth. The challenge is going to be co-ordinating all three folk balancing the boat together.
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Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 9:55am
Interesting (surprising to me) that they seem to be able to survive a crash-landing and stay on the wire. Dangerous, but not half as dangerous as I imagined.
It seems to need a lot of speed and a fairly extreme angle of attack in order to fly, but there's a lot of weight there.
Mike
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 11:44am
wow thats amazing!
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 12:04pm
The video of them tow testing was entertaining.
Hard to tell from the video but it didn't seem to accelerate quite as dramatically as a moth does when it gets foiling, perhaps due to the weight.
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Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 2:43pm
That is fantastically ridicolous!     
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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 3:58pm
I like it. In the video did they use the gennaker? Is there a link you could possibly post???
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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 4:03pm
Sorry missed the links
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Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull
I like it. In the video did they use the gennaker? |
No pole fitted, so if they did use the kite then it was only for it's alternative purpose which is to trawl for cod. Probably not many cod in the Swiss lakes - much like the North Sea these days!
Mike
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Posted By: wheresthewind
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 7:12pm
looks like alot of fun developing, There is no kite or pole fitted because if you think about apparent wind a spinnaker would do bugger all if you are going faster than the wind!!!
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by wheresthewind
if you think about apparent wind a spinnaker would do bugger all if you are going faster than the wind!!!
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Depends what direction you're going faster than the wind in! 
But it would be a b"$%er if you sailed into a lull. Though with that much lift coming off the foils, the drag is probably huge, which might explains why it doesn't shoot off when it lifts out the water. What excellent fun tho.
Looks like foiling is now the norm. How long before laser come out with a plastic foiler for all the family to enjoy?
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Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 8:11pm
market it as a racing foiler then when off the foils it's a family cruiser
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 8:19pm
Aha, good idea JP.
Removable foils along with a removable decent sized sails and preferably a thingy for mounting an outboard (and a rowlock option). Marketing mans dream.
The laser foilio "its everywhere not thereabouts"!
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 04 Sep 06 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by wheresthewind
looks like alot of fun developing, There is no kite or pole fitted because if you think about apparent wind a spinnaker would do bugger all if you are going faster than the wind!!! |

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Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 05 Sep 06 at 9:59am
Originally posted by wheresthewind
looks like alot of fun developing, There is no kite or pole fitted because if you think about apparent wind a spinnaker would do bugger all if you are going faster than the wind!!!
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Most boats (well, dinghies at least) with assymetric kites sail faster than windspeed downwind. That's why they do that funny zig-zagging thing...
Mike
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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 05 Sep 06 at 10:19am
Michael Carter's Hydrofoil 18 on Sydney Harbour...... First saw it at the Squaddy about 3 years ago.
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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 05 Sep 06 at 6:50pm
Itchenor 14s tried it i believe. and they gave up using the kite because they actually went slower with it up! I would love to have the guts to try it though!
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Posted By: j-pz
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 8:32am
Hi guys.
It is flying real nice

very light wind (6-7 kts) genaker (flat) and 14.7 kts boat speed
took of with the genaker.
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 9:54am
Hi j-p!
Impressive achievement 
oh and I'd love the "Tomates confites au romarin et légumes du marché sautés aux herbes" for a light lunch 
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Posted By: j-pz
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 6:55pm
got to see those pics.......
yeah.....
http://www.jeanpierreziegert.ch/05_photo.html

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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 8:47pm
That is one hell of a picture!
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Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 8:57pm
looks like a bit of fun
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 08 Sep 06 at 9:04pm
    WOW!   
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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 11 Sep 06 at 12:51pm
Holy mother of mailto:cr@p - cr@p
I dread to imagine what the crashes are like
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Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 11 Sep 06 at 2:42pm
Is it just me, or have they extended the racks? Would love to know why, as I cant believe it makes it easier to sail...
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 11 Sep 06 at 4:25pm
soz i cant get that link, can you try not hyperlinking it cos right now its giving me an e-mail adress lol!
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 11 Sep 06 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by euphemism, who doesn't want to be seen swearing on the forum,
holy mother of mailto:cr@p - cr@p |
Originally posted by Prince Buster, who posts faster than he thinks,
soz i cant get that link, can you try not hyperlinking it cos right now its giving me an e-mail adress lol! |
 It's not a hyperlink, it's a hyperbole!
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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 11 Sep 06 at 6:56pm
Originally posted by aardvark_issues
Is it just me, or have they extended the racks? Would love to know why, as I cant believe it makes it easier to sail...
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I thik its so they can heel it to windward easier and thus use the hydros as normal foils, like the moths do? Correct me if im talking out of my arse please
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 11 Sep 06 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by Black no sugar
Originally posted by euphemism, who doesn't want to be seen swearing on the forum,
holy mother of mailto:cr@p - cr@p |
Originally posted by Prince Buster, who posts faster than he thinks,
soz i cant
get that link, can you try not hyperlinking it cos right now its giving
me an e-mail adress lol! |
 It's not a hyperlink, it's a hyperbole!
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lol! no seriously bns i can't see the thing, can someone make it right for me!!
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Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 12:44am
About the racks; someone (on SA I think) from the Association said that the racks have been extended (to 17' from 14', I think) to allow the boat to carry a 36ft tall rig for open races.
Old-time (ie the 1980s) skiffies will tell you that 17' is woosy. At one time the limit was 22'; only sailed on once and in light winds but it was a looooooooong way across.
Before that limitation was brought in, the mid 1980s "Bradmill" won the "worlds" with a 32' wingspan. Masts were up to 45 feet. Boat weight were down to 99lb/45kg for the bare hull. Budgets were over $200,000 per season, or about 7+ times the average income I think.
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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 11:16am
Originally posted by CT249
Before that limitation was brought in, the mid 1980s "Bradmill" won the "worlds" with a 32' wingspan. Masts were up to 45 feet. Boat weight were down to 99lb/45kg for the bare hull.
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That is awesome!
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 11:29am
Originally posted by CT249
About the racks; someone (on SA I think) from the
Association said that the racks have been extended (to 17' from 14', I
think) to allow the boat to carry a 36ft tall rig for open races.Old-time (ie
the 1980s) skiffies will tell you that 17' is woosy. At one time the limit
was 22'; only sailed on once and in light winds but it was a looooooooong
way across.Before that limitation was brought in, the mid 1980s
"Bradmill" won the "worlds" with a 32' wingspan. Masts were up to 45
feet. Boat weight were down to 99lb/45kg for the bare hull. Budgets were
over $200,000 per season, or about 7+ times the average income I think.
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But were they any faster than now?
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 12:31pm
There is some stuff written on rack width on 18's in 'High Performance Sailing'. I don't have it with me but apparently the smaller racks ended up being faster.
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Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 1:46pm
Were they faster? It's a subject for some debate. Brownie, who won the "worlds" with Bradmill (and designed it so he has some vague idea; his next boat Entrad is the one pictured at 35 knots in Bethwaite's book) reckons the big wing boats became too unwieldly and had too much drag, and the later, lighter Grand Prix boats were quicker.
Some others (like the sailmaker who got second to Bradmill) reckon the big-wing boats were quicker in the special conditions of that regatta, which was sailed off Brisbane where the wind is steady. Tacking the boats was a problem with the massive windage.
Still others say that the GP 18s suffered a distinct speed loss in light winds when the big rig was taken out of them. The current Murray 18s with the short wings are unanimously declared to be slower than the 17' (?) wingspan Grand Prix Bethwaite boats.
Fastest of them all by some accounts (Brownie and Julian if I recall correctly) was the B 18s that Emmett Lazich (world Moth champ and gold medal 49er coach) fitted with carbon wings and spars.
Comparison of wing width, like all advances in 18s, is made difficult by the rule changes that banned new designs and cut down the wings and (later) rigs, leaving the Bethwaite hull out in front because it was designed as a two-hander and therefore suited the smaller rigs and wings (and arguably better suited to the increased speed of modern rigs and materials). The Brown and Murray boats, designed to take more weight and generate more power, were generally not as quick under the smaller rigs and wings when restrictions came in.
From a transcript of an interview with Julian, discussing the arrival of AAMI (the first really succesful Bethwaite 18) to the Grand Prix;
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“89 was the first AAMI, and they had got rid of the big rig but still had the 39' rig. AAMI's big rig was 36'or 34'; everyone thought that we would be Ok mid range but slow in light air and very slow in a breeze. Well it turned out we were diabolically fast in light air, just see you later , and there was a range in the middle where we were a tad ordinary, but as soon as it blew we were gone again, and I just oput it down to less drag. They were running 100mm mast sections and we were running with 80…..We were
failry utalitarian, and I think the other difference is that we were
sailing four days a weeks, and they spent four days a week in the
workshop putting ot back together again to sail it on the weekend. It
was a little unfair in a sense because our boats were so much more practical.
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From the interview with Brownie (I've still got the Bradmill and Entrad plans in my wardrobe, must drop them back) describing the wide-wing episode for that Brisbane "worlds".
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“Basically we went out, on average, 18 inches a day” recalls Brownie. “We were at a wing width of 28', and then we had two-foot clip-ons that we called turbochargers. The widest we ever went was 32'; no-one else has been there.”
“The wider you went, the more sail area you could carry in more wind, so the loads on the boats went up dramatically. We were carrying our number 2 rig ( high ) in 22 knots of breeze, were you'd usually pull if off in around 15 or 17 knots.”
“So every time you went out, apart from the obvious things like lengthening the mainsheet, jibsheet, control lines, trap wires, and tiller extensions, you also had to put carbon on the mast and the spinnaker pole, 'cause the loads went right up.”
Height and pole of #1 rig
The massive width and power of the boats had a major effect on the style of racing. “The weight went up as the rigs got heavier, and your manoevrability was greatly reduced. Normally you'd just come off the start line and pick a side, go to a layline, come in, tack or gybe at the mark and go to another lay. So basically, you were just doing a square course, you minimized tacks and gybes and just went for the straight line speed.”
“The noticeable difference was when you came in and out of the tacks and onto the plane. You had more weight to get on the plane, so the transitional area before planing was extended by the extra weight, but that was compensated by the extra horsepower you were generating out of your sails.” Sudden breaking free.
“Because of the width of the wings, the timing of moving through the wings was so critical - if you were late getting across you'd capsize, and if you were too early you'd put the windward wing in. The boats were slower to turn, but the crew had to move faster to get across. So you were basically sprinting from one side to the other to have a good tack. You had to be very definite in turning the boat - if the guys started moving across the boat, you were committed to go.”
“When you came into the tack and off the plane the boat would stop, because you've got all this sail area up there with the same skinny hull. The drag of the rig was another thing you had to overcome, because it wasn't designed; all this stuff was just added on during the regatta.”
Spectacular as they were, Rob says that the “dinosaur” 18s were slower than the smaller, more efficient breed that evolved when rigs and wings were restricted.
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“The mid '90s Grand Prix style 18 was, I think, the pinnacle of design. It was an unforgiving hull shape, with knife-edge sailing in light and fresh. The boats were marginal anything over 25 knots, and you had a lot of trouble keeping the bows out, but they were fantastic boats upwind and if you sailed them right downwind and had a good skill level on board, you'd be able to get round.”
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The amazing thing was, the GP hull was probably the ultimate hull shape for the era. When Emmett then got rid of weight in wings, poles, spars, by going carbon all the way through, the performacne increase he says was absolutely dramatic. Coming out of a tack or gybe, the boat would accelerate and you'd get thrown backwards."
'Scuse the long post.
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 1:58pm
Very intersting post once again mr CT249, thanks
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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by CT249
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Appologies not necessary Chris........ Great post
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Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 2:21pm
fascinating reading! thank you CT249
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 3:37pm
brilliant, cheers.
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 3:56pm
finaly, an interesting history lesson
thank you CT249!
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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 4:07pm
I salute you sir!
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Posted By: Doug Lord
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 4:52pm
Here are some comments from the owner of the Flying 18 from the 18 topic on boatdesign.net:
"Your text is interesting and I would like to answer to it.
May I introduce myself : Thomas Jundt from Geneva, owner of the flying 18 AET
Rome wasn't build in one day, we need time and practice to discover our machine, but :
Today I am very optimist about performance (fabulous job of John), I believe on the basis of our 3 sails with foils, that our boat in the hands of an trained team will beat all existing 18s around the track if :
- Wind more than 2 Bf, say more than 7 kns.
- No spinakker but a flat unstayed headsail (in cuben fiber) as the one you can see on the photos (apparent wind ) 30 sqm instead 60 as the are the JJ assymetrics now.
Foiling upwind :
I think to foil upwind we need 4 Bf of wind in order to achieve the 8 to 9 kn of boatspeed to take off, once out of the water + 2 kn so no question who is faster.
But even in 3 Bf I believe that the lift of the foils reduces the hull drag sufficiently enough to compensate for foil drag, at he worst the same as none foiling.
And rudder lift allows to push the bow down, what a traditional 18 tries by moving all weight ahead as far as possible.
Foiling downwind :
No question as soon as airborn faster than non foiler
And I believe no pitchpoling any more (as GP -covers in the pictures of seahorse) when you bear off at the weather mark
Conclusions :
- A conversion 18 will be faster than a non foiler 18 (in more than 2 Bf)
- A 18 foiler build from scrach even more of corse (in all conditions)
- In any case the lighter the better the faster
- 18 s are spectacular boats, foling18 s even more
- The league is fine but it 's become a one design class racing, with low devellopement
- All the major devellopement jumps (assymetrics, wings, fiber mast tops, carbone masts, etc) weren't made by the league.
- The price of devellopement is that things become obsolete over night (as typing machines f.i., can you rember the time before PC s ?)
Classs rules or not, in a couple of years we will see completely different hulls apear (more skiff type, narrow, non planing hulls, (you don't plane you fly) so performance gain will be in light wind and in havy wind.
And...
.. once you have foiled you cannot go back !!! "
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 12 Sep 06 at 6:56pm
and talking of wide wings.............

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Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 13 Sep 06 at 11:27am
Thanks all
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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 13 Sep 06 at 11:41am
You want wide wings........




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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 13 Sep 06 at 4:18pm
as my sister said, "wooooaaaa"  
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 14 Sep 06 at 3:41pm

what is that arc shaped line from the middle crew? I first thought a bendy tiller extension, then thought a main sheet mid 'coil' as it has been let out... but I have finally settled on the fact the guy is so scared he has projectile wet himself onto the boom
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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 14 Sep 06 at 11:31pm
It's a fisherman on shore, casting his line in 
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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 14 Sep 06 at 11:38pm
has that colorbond boat got a retractable bow sprit?
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Posted By: j-pz
Date Posted: 15 Sep 06 at 12:36pm
got to see the new video of the flying with light, sorry very light
wind conditions. I'll let your guys talk about the speed and any kind
of instability....
http://www.jeanpierreziegert.ch/06_video.html
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Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 15 Sep 06 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by Chris Noble
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Here's some Colourbond info.
"As
the day of the unrestricted 18 closed, metals manufacturer Colourbond
decided to end its long association with the 18s. Colourbond used to
sponsor several 18s at once, building a new boat for the Sydney fleet
each year and handing down the older ones to other cities. They
decided to end it all with a big-spending bang.
“Psychologically,
it grew from Australia II” notes Scott Jutson, a leading member of
the design team. “The belief that technology conquers all, that
overseas expertise is vital, and that whatever project came from it
had to be secret.”
Colourbond’s
genesis included a multinational design team and a two-week think
tank session in the USA. Don Buckley (Ian Murray’s mainsheet
hand) hatched a plan for a “superboat” with a wing mast, a
no-holds barred start from scratch issue-by-issue design. All-up
cost of the boat alone was rumoured to be about five times the average annual wage.
The
shape that came out of Ted van Dusen’s Boston rowing shell works
was radical by any standards. The team wanted a narrow hull but
structural considerations dictated a shroud base of 8’, so
Colourbond became one of the first boats with chainplates fitted to
the wing tubes, rather than the hull.
That
hull looked totally different. The stem was less than 300 mm high,
with rounded gunwhales and a rounded foredeck. “Skiffs always
nosedive at the top mark, so they went for flare to keep the bow up.
That’s not addressing the problem” says Jutson.. “We looked at
it more from a Nacra cat point of view; if there’s nothing to slow
the boat down when it nosedives, it won’t decelerate which is what
breaks masts and capsizes boats.”
Colourbond
had no chines, very unusual in skiffs of that time. “It was never
really clear whether we were on the right path or not” reflects
Jutson. That was one of the problems with the boat; it broke so much
new ground it was all but impossible to work out which areas were
successful and which were not.
The
wing mast had structural problems and only lasted a couple of sails.
Jutson still likes wing masts, but not for classes with unrestricted
sail area. The wing masts weigh so much that it’s more effective to
just go for bigger sails on a conventional mast. The cantilever
retractable bowsprit was very sophisticated, was low in windage and
concentrated weight further aft, but Jutson believes that the
cruder-looking fixed and stayed bowsprits were lighter and therefore
faster.
Colourbond
was moderately successful on the racecourse, but she is memorable
mainly as something totally different, and a pathfinder in
construction."
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 15 Sep 06 at 1:39pm
j-pz
That is quite amazing, the footage near the end is very impressive, you seem to be able to foil for very long periods of time under total control...well done. It also seems easier with 2 people, was that just a weight/lift consideration or os it easier to co-ordinate?
I wonder how the foiling Cherub will go when it's finished, I suppose proportionally 2 stringing the 18 would be like getting 2 small kids on the Cherub with wide wings, possibly easier to control than having proportionally big heavy people on the boat. We'll have to wait and see, but it's pretty obvious that in a few years boats won't be graded as a dinghy or skiff, they will be a planer or a foiler.
I guess their shape will change enormously too, will traditional bermudan rigs mmove aside to be replaced with something that is optimised for very narrow apparent wind angles? And I guess that hulls, rather than being designed to carry weight, go well in light wind, or plane early, will be designed to be low drag in a semi-foiling situation, or not to loose to much speed when they fall off the foils.
I know very little about hull design but if you look at a flying moth the hull looks pretty pointless now, would a hull with loads of rocker etc that is optimised for very light winds make more sense now, becasue as soon as it's flying it's a bit irrelevant?
Anyway, well done again, keep going and keep us informed!
(You too Andy L!)
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