Is this the worst boat ever made?
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Topic: Is this the worst boat ever made?
Posted By: fizzicist
Subject: Is this the worst boat ever made?
Date Posted: 09 Aug 06 at 10:28pm
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I bet it'd be easier to sell herpes than sell that thing! ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 09 Aug 06 at 11:12pm
| Oh my gosh no. There have been far worse things than that... |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 8:01am
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Such as? That looks an utter abomination! ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 8:07am
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oh it has certain something. Can you imagine pitching up to start line of the bloody mary in it.....mmmm now how much is it going for?
edit reserve of £950 ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 8:29am
The name 'Cruz' bothers me...  ------------- |
Posted By: Jalani
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 8:41am
It's not pretty, but as a boat for family pottering it is brilliant. Far lighter and better at sailing than the equivalent Drascombe, I can see why people would buy them.  ------------- Far too old to still be doing this...... Stealth F16s "White Rhino" GBR527 & "Yeah Baby" GBR538 |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 9:01am
Hell yes, and people bought them in their thousands. Everywhere you go, you see those elegant, well-cut sails gliding gracefully over the water.  ------------- |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 9:33am
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I wouldn't go down that route they look an awful lot like odd coloured laser sails to me. ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 11:45am
PMT Chap?  Bet it's great for mackeral fishing. Dead cheap to get extra sails for as well. Laser at the front, Topper at the back. |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 12:12pm
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That was the exact boat I thought of when I opened this thread. I bet it sails well rudderless with eth two sails so far apart. |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 2:01pm
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[QUOTE=m_liddell] That was the exact boat I thought of when I opened
QUOTE] I think you're optimistic in thinking it sails well at all, with or without rudder...  ------------- |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 3:03pm
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Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 4:31pm
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So, let me get this straight, someone actually spent time and money designing that thing!!! They must have been on whatever the beatles were on when they wrote "I am the Walrus"!! |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 5:02pm
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But (in true Cherub tradition) it has plenty options as a "development" class! You just need to think a bit Marie Cha IV... Nice big sprit out the front and a 400 kite should give you a nice masthead asymmetric. In the meantime junior can play with a 200 equivalent out the back. Paint hull grey, swap crap sails for large roach kevlar fully battened and I think it could be quite a laugh! ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 5:37pm
And you can put a second smaller asymettric from the aft mast as a spinnaker staysail and the other nipper can play with that too... fun for all the family.
(two minute hack while waiting for a server to finish. Folk out there can surely do better... |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 5:55pm
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Get busy with the photoshop boys! Can you make it hydrofoil too?! ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 6:12pm
| A World contender champion on the IW had one for a while, and raced it with small child(ren) crewing. ( but has now upgraded to RS200 ) |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 6:32pm
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goodluck gybing that better at photoshop than me though, by a long way ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 11 Aug 06 at 8:58am
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Do it like a yacht drop the mizzen staysail. gybe move tack rehoist, skipper changes mind do it again, and again, and again......old scars!! ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 11 Aug 06 at 10:26am
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Well it looks like problem solved to me. An excellent solution . |
Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 11 Aug 06 at 10:30am
I have to say, I've always wondered how quick a rig like that would in the right conditions. I'm thinking it could scare a lot of people. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Aug 06 at 10:34am
Three Sails good, Four Sails better? (sorry Mr Orwell!) |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 11 Aug 06 at 12:29pm
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I'm not sure. There are no jibs so both sails are behind a mast (bluff body) which has a big impact on performance. The rear sail is also in the dirty air of the first. In light airs due to the laminar boundry layer over the earth only the very top of the sail is really very effective, having two rigs means they will be much shorter and not having much area operating in this region of decent wind. The added weight of the second mast is not going to help matters either. In high wind it might work since the centre of effort will be lower (shorter masts) so the healing moment will be less for a given amount of sail. I'm not sure how controllable it will be though. Wasn't this kind of setup done by the old whitbread maxi's?
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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 11 Aug 06 at 12:36pm
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Yep and in the first whitbread with W-60s they had to ban them from using their mast-head kites in the southern ocean to make sure they didn't beat the Maxis overall. What with the Maxis costing a bucket load more and being the premier class at the time. ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 11 Aug 06 at 1:08pm
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Yes, but to compare like to like (IOR maxis versus IOR maxis) the ketches were seriously quick on the reach. Some say the multi-slot effect really works well on the reaches. Mainly though, what the hell it looks cool! Now all you need is a couple of big hiking planks and you can go for it! |
Posted By: tickel
Date Posted: 12 Aug 06 at 12:26am
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Someone has joined our club with a thing like an Indian canoe. It has two masts and gaff sails. The best bit is that it has barge boards which you hinge down on the lee side. The whole thing is very well made and must have cost a bomb. On the rare occaisions that it sails it is crewed by a middle aged couple , Mr at the back, Mrs in the front and old grandma in the middle. Its a very odd sight since they never smile but (slowly) sail around. The only time I ever have detected any facial expression was when we planed at them rather out of control aiming at grandma, who looked alarmed. We veered away, broached and wiped out. The funny thing is, they didn't even laugh. Martians?
------------- tickel |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 12 Aug 06 at 12:45am
I love it! I think it looks McSexy! ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 12 Aug 06 at 8:39am
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It's up to £205 now. Can we all stick £50 in a hat, buy it and stick a couple of Cherub rigs with 4 trapezes on it & see what breaks first when you hoist kites simultaneously? (Oh God! I'm turning into a Cherub sailor with thoughts like that!) ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 12 Aug 06 at 11:17am
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You're on a slippery slope, Fizz... Soon you'll want to turn a Cherub in a 12ft skiff and stick a humongous kite on it "just to see what's gonna happen"... Brainiacs, all of you ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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