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Topic: Hazards
Posted By: sailor girl
Subject: Hazards
Date Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 2:38pm
What are No Go areas and Hazard areas in the sea?

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Posted By: Noble Marine
Date Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 3:05pm

Are they areas used by the MOD near to firing ranges?

 



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Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 5:28pm

 

The few feet of water in front of that giant supertanker!



Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 7:13pm

shallow bits, wrecks, exclusion zones round big ships (like jamie said), fishing boats and lobster pots.

 

 

 

oh and cherub sailors.



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 9:18pm
Bermuda Triangle, apparently stuff happends there

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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 11:32pm
Anywhere to leeward of a big spinnaker! When you gotta bare away, you gotta bare away, if there's a little oppie there or not!

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 02 Aug 06 at 11:46pm
Originally posted by Strawberry

Anywhere to leeward of a big spinnaker! When you gotta bare away, you gotta bare away, if there's a little oppie there or not!


i heard stories of a recent 18 foot skiff nationals where there was a big oppie open at the same venue/piece of water. Unfortunatly the oppie course was set so that when the 18's went round the windward mark and hoisted they came across swarms of oppies sailing across the course with a fleet of stupidly sized skiffs bearing down on them! lukily oppie rigs are small and can fit under the racks on an 18

could be a new event, the most oppies on one spinny pole at the end wins.
 

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Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 10:00am
One hazard are you may want to think of are offshore rigs and wind farms etc, I know the wind farms have certain height restrictions, obviously so the taller masts dnt get shortened!! 

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Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 3:11pm

Submarine/mine sweeper magnetic loops

Gunnery ranges

Commercial wharves (terrorists)

whales



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Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 3:42pm
Kids on rubber dingies who have drifted out to sea


Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 8:10pm
Originally posted by Worthy

Kids on rubber dingies who have drifted out to sea


so basically oppies then.

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Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by feva_sailor

Originally posted by Worthy

Kids on rubber dingies who have drifted out to sea


so basically oppies then.


but with oppies you also have the obstacle of the several parent support boats


Posted By: boatshed
Date Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 10:39pm

For me, when I raced the B14, it was just any slower boat.  Downwind, Mirrors just become stationary objects to drive around.  The rules just seemed to work better if we kept clear of everyone.



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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 06 Aug 06 at 4:01pm
Was the start of this post a serious question? If so to identify navigational hazards at sea you need to look at the appropriate chart and also sometimes its worth a look at the relevent pilot or harbour guide. there are also things you shouldn't do (although not strictly speaking a hazard to navigation) like anchoring on foul ground. some of the more practical hazards have also been mentioned... What was the purpose of the question?

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Posted By: Phat Bouy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 06 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by Garry

.. What was the purpose of the question?


I suspect it might be have something to do with a DI course   




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Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 06 Aug 06 at 7:00pm
its all in the handbook if it is

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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 07 Aug 06 at 8:39am
Originally posted by laser47

its all in the handbook if it is


Not really if your 10 minute lecture is on hazards, the instructor's handbook G14 provides an outline but not a great deal of detail on many sailing topics.

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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 07 Aug 06 at 1:14pm

Originally posted by laser47

its all in the handbook if it is

Not wishing to flame you in paticular, but there seems to be a growing attitude that all I need to know to pass is in the handbook.  That may be the case but the handbooks do not provide anywhere near enough info to be a good instructor. Which is why asking questions on forums such as this and doing some more in depth research is a commendable attitude to have. If you want to be an instructor aim to be a good one!



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Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 07 Aug 06 at 5:42pm

The hand book is a basic out line of what you need to know. You own knowledge is what makes you a good instructor and you need to be able to put it accross in a good way.

as in instructor you will always be gaining experiance and passing it on to others

Experiance is what you get when you dont get what you want



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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 08 Aug 06 at 8:09am

Assuming this is a hazards talk which group is it aimed at as the content emphasis is different for L2 to how you might approach seamanship or daysailing.  For L2 (off the top of my head as I haven't checked the syllabus in the logbook) I would want to cover:

Hazards when rigging - overhead power lines, lifting, long masts (what's behind you)

Hazards when launching / recovering - Slippery slips, edge (deep or rough) other users, cars, leeshore, offshore.

Weather - what's forecast, does forecast = what you see, emphasis (at this level L2) correct sail plan, don't go if you're thinking about it, sailing area and what to do if weather closes in.

Navigation hazards at sea - other shipping, deep water channels, rocks, tides, shallows.

Letting someone know (where, when back and what to do if don't return)

Inland waters weirs, pumping stations, fishermen, overhead cables, locks, leprospirosis.

How to get this information.

 

With adults I would probably introduce the topic and set out some major headings and then get the students to brainstorm the hazards they can think of - then add any they've missed, summarise and tell them where to get further information if they went to a new venue (Harbourmaster, local SC etc).  alternatively if it was a windy day full of lectures (to give them a break) I would walk around the sailing centre discussing the hazards and just do a quick summary in the classroom.

That is probably more material than your ten minutes so you need to keep things moving along briskly.  I would prepare a brief summary to handout at the end as adults love to collect paper (and your theoristrs and reflectors will be able to review).  If you tell them you have a handout it prevents some taking notes so they can concentrate on what you say.

If it was juniors I would draw a map (with pics) on the whiteboard and brainstorm by getting them to identify the hazards they see and rather than notes some sort of worksheet (say a wordsearch with pictures of the hazards round the borders).

The SI workbook has a very good section on lectures and a planing sheet (you can download it from the RYA website).

Hope this helps.

 



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Lark 2252, Contender 298

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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 08 Aug 06 at 8:14am
And I forgot to add entrapment - a current hot topic of debate - don't over emphasis but concentrate on tidy boat, carry knife and right quickly if someone trapped.

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Garry

Lark 2252, Contender 298

www.cuckoos.eclipse.co.uk



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