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Topic: Why Cats
Posted By: lostatsea
Subject: Why Cats
Date Posted: 28 Jul 06 at 8:06pm
Hi, this is basically to the catamaran sailors out there. I have heard the pro's and con's of sailing catamarans but my question is what drew you from sailing dinghies to catamarans and are you glad you changed over. Thanks



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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 28 Jul 06 at 9:24pm

Faster, more fun, Different kind of challenge, large opens and Nats / Euro's (I started in Dart 18's when we were getting 100+ at the nationals and 200+ at the Euro's. 

Then moved on to the Hurricane 5.9 (at the time as a planned stepping stone to a Tornado) as an even bigger challenge and now sailing single handed with a kite.

Also the ability to cover long distances quickly as I really enjoy the long distances races.



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Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 29 Jul 06 at 8:15am

Originally posted by lostatsea

Hi, this is basically to the catamaran sailors out there. I have heard the pro's and con's of sailing catamarans but my question is what drew you from sailing dinghies to catamarans and are you glad you changed over. Thanks

Trainig Wheels.....



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Posted By: lostatsea
Date Posted: 29 Jul 06 at 10:46am
What are trainig wheels?


Posted By: TeamFugu
Date Posted: 29 Jul 06 at 2:39pm
Training wheels are little wheels you put on the back of your kid's bike so that they don't tip over while learning to ride a bike.

Cats are very fast, very stable initially, and increadably stable turtled. Cats are probably one of the easiest boats to sail initially. To sail a cat at the top level takes a lot of skill though.

I prefer mono's because they take up much less room and are more challenging. It is true that mono's are not as fast as cats. (I don't want to drag that one out yet again.)

Sail what you like but just go sailing!

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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 30 Jul 06 at 4:05am

Grew up in monos sailing at a mixed class club.....

The biggest, baddest, fastest boats at the club were cats, so I moved in that direction.  Later on I still played with monos and yachts but also turned to skiffs, but something always drew me back to the cats.



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Posted By: lostatsea
Date Posted: 30 Jul 06 at 10:10am
So which cats are the best? and why.


Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 30 Jul 06 at 10:25am
Originally posted by lostatsea

So which cats are the best? and why.


Just like mono's, it depends what you are after!!

If you are light then F16 may be a good way.

If you are slightly heavier and want a good international circuit then F18.

A bit more money will get you a tornado.

Hurricaines also have a good UK following.

But that is only looking at the more modern types of cats with asymmetrics and we mustn't forget about the merits of other cats such as Dart 18s, Dart 15s and Shearwaters etc.

In summary, just like in monos, it depends on who you are and what you want.  There is no 'best'!!!

Edit: I somehow forgot to mention the Hobie 16 which is my favourite boat on a reach in anything more than a force 4!!


Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 30 Jul 06 at 1:10pm

Originally posted by lostatsea

So which cats are the best? and why.

The ones out on the water with their owners enjoying them selves.



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Posted By: Action
Date Posted: 31 Jul 06 at 9:51pm

Tornado Alive wrote

"The biggest, baddest, fastest boats at the club were cats, so I moved in that direction.  Later on I still played with monos and yachts but also turned to skiffs, but something always drew me back to the cats."

I've gotta ask, why yachts if speeds the thing. They obviously enjoy the drink when they have a race to (and around) Hamilton Island (I don't know a Euro equivalent). But getting there would (to me) be as boring as bat sh$t.

Action (with prejudice showing)



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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 06 at 8:35am

Have entertained thoughts of doing a Hobart but after a few off shore runs up and down the coast on an Elliot 11 and spending hours at a time, hiking out hard, cold and wet doing 4 knots upwind.......  I quickly lost interest.

Around the bouys both in and off shore on E 5.9, E 11s, Syd 38, Bull 9000s ect...  Was a lot of fun and variety, but doubt I would ever commit to it.  Beats doing house work



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Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 2:35pm

I started sailing cadets in 1980. Moved on to crewing Scorpions before sailing Lasers. Discovered girls, stopped sailing. When my hormones had settled down I tried windsurfing as my job was pretty mobile - loved the speed but hated lying in cold water waiting for the next gust to waterstart. Sold my boards and bought a Vortex. Unfortunately the only one in Ireland to do so. However, helming from the trapeze is the mutts nuts, my club sails Hurricanes and the European champs were being held there 6 months later. No boat gives a bigger bang for the buck! Sold the Vortex for just under £3k, bought a Hurricane for just over.

It was just luck that my club sails Hurricanes but the boat suits me cos I am too heavy to be competitive in a D18 or Spitfire. Actually I am to heavy to be competitive in a Hurricane (that's my latest excuse). However the best advice is to sail what is popular at your local club. When we all started to put spinnakers on, either in Sport or SX mode, I followed.

Would I go back to mono-hulls? I would happily sail anything that floats and I do miss not being able to rig up and go in 10 minutes. Towing is also a bit of a bugger even if you can tow flat (I can). I am off to Blessington, Co Wicklow this weekend and some of the roads are only an inch or two wider that the boat. Also, I cannot sail a twenty-foot cat single-handed so I'm buggered if my crew is unavailable.

But the speed is sensational. 49ers can beat us downwind but only just. Cats are stable but to sail them at their best you have to fly a hull and keep it there and that takes balance. There's lots of ropes and things to pull and try and understand which, as an engineer, I like.

But the key things about sailing is sharing these experiences with other likeminded individuals and then exagerating about them in the bar afterwards.



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