Inspiration Needed
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Topic: Inspiration Needed
Posted By: Chew my RS
Subject: Inspiration Needed
Date Posted: 19 Jul 06 at 1:51pm
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I need some ideas and advice. Having sold the RS200 when I got my crew pregnant (very careless), I got a Laser. Now that our lives are returning to some form of normality, I want to get out of the torture chamber and back sailing with my wife. Whilst she enjoyed the 200, I think its fair to say that she is a fair weather sailor and found it quite tippy. Also, our sailing will have to fit in with when we can find a baby sitter - ie we're not going to do that much. I therefore need something that is easier to sail than a 200, but still offers some fun and can be raced on a semi-competitive basis at club level. I don't want a symetic kite or trapeze, nor do I want a wooden boat. I can only think of the following options. Are there others and which would you recommend? Please help, it seems to be coming down to a Laser 2000! N12 - Too small and tippy, but quite good for light wind sailing on a lake Enterprise - Doesn't appeal at all, but I've never sailed one. Merlin Rocket - Look gorgeous but expensive, tippy(?) and I really want to avoid a symetric kite as we have no experience of them (and we probably won't sail often enough to get to grips with one) Laser 2000 - Like the 200 but more stable. Doesn't get my heart racing but I took one out in Croatia and thought it was actually very good. Tasar - This has been my second choice boat for the last 15 years, so I'm keen on this but my head says 'no'. How tippy are they? Is rigging them a hassle? Do you leave the mast up now with the new sails (and does that mean getting a new cover?) Can the font of wisdom that is the Y&Y forum help? |
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Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 19 Jul 06 at 2:30pm
| Oops, just noticed the Light Weight Sailing Dinghy thread by Brodywatt, which covers pretty much the same thing. |
Posted By: javelin_53
Date Posted: 19 Jul 06 at 2:53pm
| what about a GP 14 |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 19 Jul 06 at 3:04pm
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That sounds even less appealing than an Ent! Seriously though, I'd like to avoid 'proper' spinnakers, as neither of us have used them (well I did on a 420 donkies years ago) and I think they're just to difficult. Also, can you get GRP GPs? Really I'd like something a bit more modern. Thanks for trying though. |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 19 Jul 06 at 9:13pm
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A 2000 is a fantastic boat! We have over 12 at bough beech now. And they regualrily race (not all at the same time). They have a really gd open circuit and are good in a blow and very stable. I highly reccomend it!
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Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 6:12am
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what about a laser 3000? ------------- |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 8:27am
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The 3000 has a trapeze, which we don't really want. Also I suspect I am too big and much older than most other owners! I think the choice really comes down to a Tasar or the 2000. The 2000 should be very familiar to us as it is virtually an identical layout to the 200, but on a more spacious and stable platform. The Tasar looks great, but maybe we would spend more time learning how to sail it rather than just enjoying the sail. Can anyone describe what the Tasar is like to sail in comparison to a boat I know (say a 200, 400 or 2000)? Thanks for all the suggestions.
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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 8:29am
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What about buying a Laser Radial for your wife? ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 9:19am
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Is that what they call lateral thinking? I hadn't considered that, I could never convince her to take the helm on the 200, but maybe she'd prefer to be on her own. Mind you, I'm looking for an excuse to get out of the Laser - I prefer two-man boats. |
Posted By: far canal
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 10:15am
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having an ole Tasar as a boat to occaisonaly sail with the misses , I reckon you would have more fun in a 2000 with its kite , the tasar is light responsive etc , but boring on a run goose winged ,which they seem to do a lot , and you are used to a kite and would miss it sorely .
PS hope you found out what made your crew pregnant and take suitable precautionary measures , I've heard of couples having half a doz sproggs before the penny drops !
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 11:01am
Your definition of safe and mine differ somewhat....... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 11:42am
Depends on the size of your neighbour's husband |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 11:52am
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Far Canal's user name suggests that it may not be the neighbour's wife he is interested in... (sorry, couldn't resist!) Anyway Far Canal, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of your boat, but I appreciate the honesty!
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Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 12:44pm
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Posted By: Noble Marine
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 1:28pm
Your wife is very understanding! Many wives would have thrown you out after doing that to your crew
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 1:33pm
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Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 20 Jul 06 at 1:45pm
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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 21 Jul 06 at 5:36pm
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Go for a Tasar - They're very stable, easy to rig, most people drop mast after sailing(but you can also get a nifty jib cover if you leave it up). Its easy to go pretty fast straight away but the boat needs some time to get real pace. It's also great for slightly inexperienced crews - I sailed mine with a girl who had done very little sailing at all and we were doing OK straight away. You get lots of performance for your pound and they remain sailable into very high winds (when lots of other boats are upside down !). Also, as they are stable and well mannered, you can even take out complete novices. Dont think that by being stable they are boring - they are very respsonsive. Basically the boat is a real thouroughbread.
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 23 Jul 06 at 4:39pm
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I know this might sound a little silly but have you considered an RS400? Less tippy than the 200 and a quick alternative to the 2000. Mentioning the 400 because you mentioned the Merlin and I also knew a guy who used to sail 400s quite well with his kids (and he wasn't on the heavy side). ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: southcoast
Date Posted: 24 Jul 06 at 11:06am
| i used to crew a 400 with my brother for my dad, we were only young but it was great fun and there pretty forgiving boats. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Jul 06 at 2:19pm
| The 400 does seem to be pretty difficult to chuck in - been crewing them on and off for a few years and not managed it yet (although that is with Cherubs and ICs being my main other boats) The optimum weight is a concern, but they see to be fast with a lot less weight inland than on the sea so if you're at a reservoir and don't plan doing the circuit that may not be an issue. |
Posted By: vscott
Date Posted: 24 Jul 06 at 6:58pm
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One of our members got an RS Vision and it has proved such a nice boat that 3 others have bought them too. Less tippy than an RS200, feels more like a traditional boat but is definitely an asymmetric. Excellent to have small children as extra passangers. Try and get a go in one if you can. If you are anywhere near Northumberland we can certainly get you a ride. ------------- Mk IV Osprey 1314 Think Again 
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Posted By: tickel
Date Posted: 24 Jul 06 at 8:49pm
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We won our first race in a Tasar yesterday. They do take a little understanding in light winds but when it blows up enough for you both to sit out they are a total delight. Regarding the lack of kite, where we sail on a smallish pond with lots of mark roundings a spinney can be more trouble than it's worth. They are quite tippy until they fall onto the chine (but dont do that, you must sail flat) and thereafter they dont fall over easily. Dacron jibs stay up, we cover ours with a length of extractor hose. Mylars come down but you lose the furler. They are light to move about and hard to break. All in all they make a lot of sense. Get one!! ------------- tickel |