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Laser 1

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Topic: Laser 1

Posted By: Medway Maniac
Subject: Laser 1
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 3:21pm

For a few years now we've been struggling to find a succinct way of naming in conversation the original Laser as opposed to the later designs. A common resort was to talk about the 'Laser 1', usually accompanied by an apology that 'I know it's not really called that'

Well, good news: it is called that! I've just seen the latest Laser Centre advert and they're selling their used ones as Laser 1's!

Sorry if that's old hat to some of you, but it was news to me.

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Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 3:32pm

yep always have been called laser 1s.dont know when or why they became known as just laser tho

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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 3:34pm

oh good lord he just stands up and walks straight into them doesn't he?

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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!

Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 3:39pm

dont see what the problem is there?

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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 3:56pm

Way back in the midst of time, back before you were even a glimmer in your daddys eye, a nice man called Mr. Bruce asked another nice man Called Mr. Kirby to design a boat. To begin with they called it 'The Weekender' then later it was changed to 'Laser'. And for a long time thats all there was. Then one day some clever marketing people realised that there was more money to be made in them there hills and introduced some new models. Now the thing is the company that made the laser...well that was called laser too. Something to do with market branding, ask nice Mr. Rick he's good at that sort of thing! Any way this meant their new boats had names like Laser 2000 and Laser 4000. Now this confused all the nice sailors becasue now if you said 'I'm taking out a laser this afetrnoon' people didn't know what boat you were going sail. So being a resourceful bunch they started calling the 'origina'l Laser the Laser 1. And now becuse this coloquialisim is so wide spread the clever laser marketing folk have now adopted it offically. Now close your eyes and go to sleep, you've got a busy day of posting tommorrow.

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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!

Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 3:58pm

Originally posted by tack'ho

Way back in the midst of time, back before you were even a glimmer in your daddys eye, a nice man called Mr. Bruce asked another nice man Called Mr. Kirby to design a boat. To begin with they called it 'The Weekender' then later it was changed to 'Laser'. And for a long time thats all there was. Then one day some clever marketing people realised that there was more money to be made in them there hills and introduced some new models. Now the thing is the company that made the laser...well that was called laser too. Something to do with market branding, ask nice Mr. Rick he's good at that sort of thing! Any way this meant their new boats had names like Laser 2000 and Laser 4000. Now this confused all the nice sailors becasue now if you said 'I'm taking out a laser this afetrnoon' people didn't know what boat you were going sail. So being a resourceful bunch they started calling the 'origina'l Laser the Laser 1. And now becuse this coloquialisim is so wide spread the clever laser marketing folk have now adopted it offically. Now close your eyes and go to sleep, you've got a busy day of posting tommorrow.

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Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 3:59pm

well considering school has finished and its 45 odd degrees outside what else do u expect me to do?

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Posted By: Noble Marine
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 4:08pm

Go sailing?

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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 4:09pm

Legend!

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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 5:38pm

[. [/QUOTE]

well considering school has finished and its 45 odd degrees outside what else do u expect me to do?[/QUOTE]

Trying to work out where the moustache goes on Mr Potato Head before bath time ?

Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 9:35pm

Actually, I think we should be grateful to Feva Kid for inspiring one of the great literary masterpieces of our time, or at least of this forum...

Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 9:53pm

Originally posted by Noble Marine

Go sailing?

Thats certainly where I would be.

Just don't forget suncream .. and drink lots of water!!!

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Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 10:34pm

and a hat

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 10:46pm

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Actually, I think we should be grateful to Feva Kid for inspiring one of the great literary masterpieces of our time, or at least of this forum...

savour this moment feva_kid. I am probably right in saying it will be the ONLY time!

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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 11:16pm

Originally posted by laser47

and a hat

There's a Laser 47?

Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 11:22pm

Can you please leave the poor kid alone?

Yes, he's posted almost 600 messages in 7 weeks. Yes, he puts his foot in it more often than some. Yes, he types before engaging brain... But this constant rebuffing is getting a little tiresome.
For all we know, he's a 13-year-old, boiling hot in his Dubai 2-bedroom flat, the air-con's on the blink, school's out, Mum and Dad are at work, big bro's with his girlfriend (nice boobs, by the way, he but got a slap on New Year's Eve when he tried a bit of friendly groping). Sailing's tempting, but he still can't pull the Feva up the slipway without help (it's 45ºC, he keeps telling us, just imagine the effort!).

All's left for him is the umpteenth repeat of the 2002 Christmas episode of EastEnders (when Jamie gets run over - hospital, everlasting promises, tears, despair, Merry Christmas). On the other English-speaking channel, you can get "The Best of Jerry Springer - uncensored!". Worth a giggle or two, but it's only on after 2am and there's a new episode of Postman Pat first thing in the morning and he certainly wouldn't miss that for the world!

So he tries to get a few virtual friends and joins the Y&Y forum... What kind of welcome are we giving him? Irony and derision. I don't think he really deserves such a harsh treatment.

Most of you have missed the meteoric appearance of the latest village idiot, who turned up Sunday night and got zapped to oblivion on Monday morning. You should have been there: feva_kid blends in easily when compared to the overwhelming stupidity of that little darling!

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 12 Jul 06 at 11:27pm

i missed that post, sounds like its worth a laugh, tell me where to find it BNS, Please....

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Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 6:56am

ok firstly im 14.secondly would all u lot like to go sailing in 45 c heat with 2 knots of breeze?seriously i may not think before i post sometimes but would any of you like to be ikn my position right now?

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Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 7:53am

So there is water on Mars after all...............

Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 7:55am

Hmm..... maybe you shouldn't have replied, you know... Maybe.... just maybe...

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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 7:57am

I'm sure the sea breeze would have filled nicely :D

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 11:43am

Originally posted by feva_sailor

ok firstly im 14.secondly would all u lot like to go sailing in 45 c heat with 2 knots of breeze?seriously i may not think before i post sometimes but would any of you like to be ikn my position right now?

Is water skiing an option? Even I might give it a go in those conditions!

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Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 1:57pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Black no sugar

Hmm..... maybe you shouldn't have replied, you know... Maybe.... just maybe...

true, but then h's kind of proving your point...Hey Feva_Kid, in answer to your question:<br style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-style: italic;">'would any of you like to be ikn my position right now?'</span>Well I have to be honest my answer is 'no'. The thought of returning to those days of end-of-year exams, fluffy top-lip facial hair & uncontrollable arousal in the most uninspiring of scenarios would fill me with dread. But then there are lots of other things for you to look forward to as well before you hit the grand old age of 21 and from what I can see you have it made mate: 1) Your living in a foreign country which is hot all year round- sail in shorts and t-shirt every day; go the beach and learn to kitesurf / windsurf whilst checking out the bikini-clad trophy wives of the uber-rich and generally not have the day-to-day monotony of a teenger confined to say, a small market town in Lincolnshire. 2) You're obviously going to be fairly well travelled and I would imagine the educational standards for ex-pats in Dubai is of a very high standard- both will ensure your UCAS application will probably be quite well recieved in a few years3) You have a laser- now okay I'm not their greatest fan, but in 2 knots of wind and with a 14 year old flyweight on the stick you should be relatively competitive. Now unfortunately you have forgotten the sail number for said Laser, which is a bit of bind when it comes to say signing on or off. Therefore, as long as no one else objects; I reckon the sailing community would be more than happy for you to adopt a new sail number; something that's easy to remember- I would propose a reassignment of Laser sail number "1". In fact feva_kid, why not reinvent yourself on the forum with a new name: Laser_1 would be ideal; give yourself a week or two off posting for your alter-ego to fade away and come back as Laser_1 a new member with thoughtful, well researched prose into the comings and goings of the sailing world. It would be a great metamorphosis- like a fly, buzzing with energy emerging from the rotting pupa of a little maggot.

ok i wont make a new user but will try to make my spelling better and not post stupid posts.please pm me if you spot a stupid post from now on and i will remove it.

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 2:30pm

Just to raise this point seems Laser don't use the product name Laser 1 as far as I can see ... it's still the good 'ol Laser.

See. http://www.lasersailing.com/ - http://www.lasersailing.com/ and have a look at the range ...

This is also backed up in recent print ad's I have seen. Although it does get called the Olympic Laser in places ...

So ... there is not a Laser 1 in the range ... it's a Laser

Rick

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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 6:21pm

See page 103 of Dinghy Sailing Magazine, August issue (sorry Y&Y), under 'Quality Used Boats'

Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 7:09pm

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

See page 103 of Dinghy Sailing Magazine, August issue (sorry Y&Y), under 'Quality Used Boats'

That is a classified and I guess they have done that for clarity.

Have a look at p22 of the latest Y&Yand the Laser website ... I think it is clear that the product name is Laser, but they have created confusion with the classified.

Product naming is a tricky business when a whole range evolves from a hot product ...

In this case I believe the product name is Laser and not Laser 1.

regards,

Rick

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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 7:37pm

Indeed, but by doing it 'for clarity' they're admitting it's unclear without the '1'...

Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 7:57pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Indeed, but by doing it 'for clarity' they're admitting it's unclear without the '1'...

and of course, there is an element of brand dillution for the original boat when you factor in the Laser 4.7 and Radial which also have had or have their own campaigns- are they Laser '1's or is it just another example of the 'versatility' buzzword that haunts dinghy advertising?

So long as it doesnt become the laser skiff, im happy...

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Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 8:44pm

Well the Laser has come a long way since it was a strict one-design, now allows all sorts of rigging techniques..........so ...........GET OFF AND JOIN THE PARTY................!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PIMP MY LASER

TIME FOR MY TABLETS

Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 11:16pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Indeed, but by doing it 'for clarity' they're admitting it's unclear without the '1'...

Actually I think they have pulled off and excellent brand extension strategy ...

Rick

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Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 13 Jul 06 at 11:19pm

Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by turnturtle

[QUOTE=Medway Maniac]
Indeed, but by doing it 'for clarity' they're admitting it's unclear without the
'1'...

and of course, there is an element of brand dillution for the
original boat when you factor in the Laser 4.7 and Radial which also have
had or have their own campaigns- are they Laser '1's or is it just another
example of the 'versatility' buzzword that haunts dinghy advertising?[/
QUOTE]

Actually I think they have pulled off and excellent brand extension
strategy ...

Rick

Which is probably what Feva spends most of his time doing in that hot
bedroom...

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 14 Jul 06 at 9:27am

I notice in the latest Y&Y there is a 2 page advert referring to formula Laser with the 4.7, radial and standard rig....

Dilution perhaps?

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 14 Jul 06 at 10:55am

TT if we combine our posts and marketing speak we could have a game of w*nk word bingo!

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Jul 06 at 11:53am

Here you go ...

http://www.karinrex.com/bullsh*tbingo.jpg - http://www.karinrex.com/bullsh*tbingo.jpg

Edit: Link is broken due to the filtering of naught words - I am sure you can work it out.

This card seems to have a fair starting point

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 14 Jul 06 at 12:16pm

You are not helping yourself here Rick...but that is good!

We used to have sheets like that in our team meetings, the boss didnt find it amusing but everyone else did.

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Jul 06 at 12:19pm

Originally posted by jeffers

You are not helping yourself here Rick...but that is good!

We used to have sheets like that in our team meetings, the boss didnt find it amusing but everyone else did.

All those phrases have a use if used correctly and in the right context - they only turn to bullsh*t when used by people who don't know what they are talking about ...

I have also heard someone achieve a full house in less than 5 minutes ... and actually say nothing ...

Rick

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Jul 06 at 2:11pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

sorry guys I'm upto my tits in w*nk word games at the mo... currently recruiting for 2 positions, what a nightmare!!!

I've had so much crap from agencies on staff attrition rates; equal opportunities policies; performance related bonus; non-financial payment staff incentives; stakeholder pensions & EU legislation around working time directive... guess what folks... we sell starch; the more you sell the more we'll pay you... short of that as long as you don't worship at the grave of Fred West you can have a job!

TT - I have considered staff and every time I look into it I see all the stuff you have mentioned and I decide I'd rather make less profit and use freelancers ...

All this red tape is costing the nation ...

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Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 14 Jul 06 at 2:18pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

sorry guys I'm upto my tits in w*nk word games at the mo... currently
recruiting for 2 positions, what a nightmare!!! I've had so much crap from
agencies on staff attrition rates; equal opportunities policies; performance
related bonus; non-financial payment staff incentives; stakeholder pensions
& EU legislation around working time directive... guess what folks... we sell
starch; the more you sell the more we'll pay you... short of that as long as
you don't worship at the grave of Fred West you can have a job!

Totally off-topic, I know, but this reminds me that Dell Quay Sailing Club
has a rescue boat called Fred West...

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Jul 06 at 3:00pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Guest#260

TT - I have considered staff and every time I look into it I see all the stuff you have mentioned and I decide I'd rather make less profit and use freelancers ...

All this red tape is costing the nation ...

so less short-term boat money

Bad strategy warning

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