Laser 2000 is less tippy than a 200, but still easily manageable by lightweights (parent and young child combinations race in their class series events). A very friendly class with a growing number of clubs having fleets.

More relaxing than the 200 as a 'cruising' boat, but still has very competitive front runners at class events, blended with a very welcoming family racing scene for all levels of ability down the fleet. The L2000 class also have 5 or 6 coaching days dotted around the country each year

See http://www.laser2000.lasersailing.com - www.laser2000.lasersailing.com  for more, I'd recommend it. Boats retain value amazingly well (try finding a used one of any age for below £4500)

The other advantage is they're privilidged to share some events with the 3000s

Aren't RS 200s and 400s losing popularity a bit? We're starting to see people moving out of the 400 class at our club. Haven't looked at the Nats tables, but they can be misleading anyway

PS It also has a half-depth transom (to keep the sandwiches dry) and bench seats inside the gunnels, there's even a 'wine cooler' in the foredeck ... all you need is your picnic rug

Still has reasonable performance: RS200 PY 1059, Laser 2000 PY 1089, i.e. the Laser is rated just 3% slower, but is maybe a little less competitive on PY in handicap racing

and buzzes and iso's at herne bay this w/e

The 200 fleet at our club is gorwing, suppose it depends where you are.

Try a Tasar. Very light, no kite so simple (ish) for a relative beginner, and deceptively rapid. Well worth a look, I'd say.

Neil

Have you thought of looking at the RS Vision? Several members at our club have gone for it and it seems a good boat for cruising, a bit more stable and more like a tradidional 'boat' in feel (although not looks) than the RS200, and certainly more comfortable!

But it depends a bit on where you are going to sail. Do you want to tap into the expertise already at your club and go for something others sail? That way you can get to try things out before deciding.

Jim, I understand your despair, but you're fighting a losing battle with the [sic.]. I wonder how many know what it means?

Hi Feva Sailor,

See the below from the Wikipedia. Basically the oldies in the forum find it hair-raising to find so many mistakes in your posts.

Don't worry about it though for two separate reasons:

1) They are old, and when new things come along, old people don't like it. This doesn't hold things back though. (Douglas Adams has written extensively on this, citing wireless, television, computers, the internet, mobile phones, palmtops, contact lenses, railways and even the bicycle).

2) Incredibly soon you will start not liking new stuff (perhaps it has happened already?), and the people who are doing the new stuff will carry on regardless, just like you are doing now. (Douglas Adams was very amusing describing this process happening to himself)

Best wishes,

Will

Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus" or "so". In writing, it is italicized and placed within square brackets — [sic] — to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, or other preceding quoted material is a verbatim reproduction of the quoted original and is not a transcription error.

This may be used either to show that an uncommon or archaic usage is reported faithfully (for instance, quoting the U.S. Constitution, "The House of Representatives shall chuse [sic] their Speaker...") or to highlight an error, often for the purpose of ridicule or irony (for instance, "Dan Quayle famously changed a student's spelling to 'potatoe' [sic]"), or otherwise, to quote accurately whilst maintaining the reputation of the person or organisation quoting its source.

In folk etymology, "sic" is sometimes thought to be an abbreviation of "spelling is correct", "same in copy", "spelled incorrectly", "spelling incompetent" or "said in context", to cite but a few erroneous backronyms.

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FLY CHERB

http://www.uk-cherub.org - www.uk-cherub.org

Thank you very much for this thorough explanation, Atum Bom. Your English is far too accurate to qualify for a "young and trendy" status on this forum! Would you be one of us old fogies in disguise?

I understand that enthusiastic members like feva_kid tend to type before they think, but too many spelling mistakes make their messages quite garbled (then again....)

(I'm still from the old school, where breaking and braking couldn't be switched without altering radically the meaning of the sentence, sorry .)

If you  are taking out a total novice the laser2000 is better, much less tippy than the RS but still fast and fun. A good asymmetrical starter boat, interesting enough for you whilst allowing your novice to learn the basics!

Hi BNS,

I double checked my spelling and grammar before that posting!

Don't forget the following:

1. 'Choose' was spelled 'chuse' until very recently.
2. 'Sulphur' is now officially and internationally 'sulfur'
3. 'Foetal', 'oedema' and 'oedepal' are in the process of losing their 'o's.

So the battle for linguistic stasis is lost, whatever they say in Quebec!

You're French, aren't you BNS? Can you give me the low down on 'l'ordinateur' and 'le computer' please? I've heard different tales of it being 'le computer' but 'l'ordinateur' being introduced later, and tales that it is the other way round.

Will

PS Expressions such as "There off!" make me go "Ooooof!" like a blow below the belt, but I try to remember that the English I learnt at school may have horrified Shakespeare, if he'd understood it at all.

FLY CHERB

http://www.uk-cherub.org - www.uk-cherub.org

Why pick on estuary English?

Why not ban Geordie, Scouse or for that matter west country dialects. There is a difference between poor grammar/spelling/txt and Estuary. I (as an adopted Northerner) am proud to speak the way I do which is unashamedly Estuary and I don't expect there is many of my posts whose meaning is totally lost by poor grammar/spelling.

If there's one thing I hate more than development boat sailors it's dialect fascists!

Irony, by the way, before you all go off on one!

 funniest thing I've seen on this forum to date - thanks TT.

I do find it funny that boats using some of the hi-techest(?) materials sail around with runner bean poles on them.