Very dissapointing
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Topic: Very dissapointing
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Subject: Very dissapointing
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 8:32am
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I picked up my Yachts & Yachting pretty recently and there was a LASER catolougue inside and by my assumptions, they have stopped producing the Laser 4000, and resorted to poor excuses for boats that enhance retail turnover. Back in 1994, I looked at that catalouge, decided that one day I wanted to saill a Laser 5000. Where is the inspiration for the "youth of today"? Sorry Laser but a Dart 16, or a Laser 2000 (even alrhough the 2k is a very nice boat!) doesn't cut it. Hope to God that the next publication includes something from Ovington! ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 8:59am
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(and by the way, I don't work for Ovington Boats, just felt the booklet was very mediocre, and remember looking at it about 10 years ago and pictures of Laser 5000s and lateraly 4000s gave me a real inspiration to get good at sailing. My general moan is with Laser for dropping the 4000 which, in my opinion, is the best boat Laser have made since the Laser) ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 1:26pm
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nooooooooooooooooo not good!i hope they let someone else manefacture the 4k? ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 1:37pm
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Hopefully the same guys who done the 3000, Les told me at the weekend they had to dumb the 4000 down to make it slower than the 5000, hope Vandercraft sort that out and also hope they've got the 5000 moulds ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 1:41pm
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isnt a boss almost the same as a 5k? ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 2:01pm
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Same sail area, same weight once you weigh up things topper had forgot to, 5000 1 py number quicker than the Boss before topper tried to turn it into a 49er, 5000 still rapidly quicker. Basic difference was the 5000 was a I14 killer and the Boss was a very poor imitation of a 14 in my experience. Also you could sail the 5000 for years and years without it breaking, the Boss's that I knew were always getting fixed and not really sailing. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 2:01pm
HEAVY and twin trapeze.... so I guess so! 
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 2:09pm
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The 5000 was still a fairly rapid boat, managed to beat a Beiker 2 in it, on py aswell, 18 footer also lost out.............A real bugger to take up the slip-way though ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 4:51pm
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the 5000 has definitely earned it's reputation as a heavy boat,but it's also a great boat to sail very rewarding and very good fun. It'd also very cheap now, I've seen some good ones going for £1000 on ebay.What else can you get with that kind of performance and reliability for such a cheap price ? ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 4:55pm
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A 1988 Jaguar XJ12, 6 months MOT, No road tax.................... ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 5:02pm
Still drunk Dennis?? ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 5:10pm
No.........don't think so?????? ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 5:12pm
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I agree the 4000 has been the only boat i personally would have bought from laser apart from a laser but im lazy so prefer hanging off the side rather tha hiking my arse off for not much go fast. Would be nice to see some one like Vandercraft take the 5000 mould and maybe get a carbon rig on it carbon wings and try andtake 50kg off the hull. And a mast head kite. Oh dear starting to sound like another "what would you do with the 5k if you could" type topic Ill stop there ------------- Go Big or Go home or sail a 49er!!! |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 5:23pm
50kg? bit pessamistic isnt it? ------------- |
Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 5:49pm
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ok a few tons then ------------- Go Big or Go home or sail a 49er!!! |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 6:30pm
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Then we'd have to call it a 2 tonner...........still doesn't have the same the ring to it ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 8:03pm
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If vandercraft took what was it 50kgs out of the 3000 i could only imagine what they could do wit the 4 and 5 tonners ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 8:13pm
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50kg out of the 3000?! you've got your wires crossed there... The original hull weight of the 3000 was "79" kg and i think it is now around 50kg. (i put the 79 in brackets as its probably to the nearest 10kg!!)
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 3:38pm
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If you look at a december issue of Y&Y with the classes review it's clear there really isn't too much money to be made in high performance dinghies, especially if they last well and have been around a while since people will just buy second hand. The number of new boats each year is tiny. The margin on plastic fantastic easy to sail boats is bigger and there is a far bigger market for them. I know how you feel about needing something to aspire to. The ads I saw in Y&Y for laser's (then new) asymmertic boats make me wanty to get out sailing and improve. I remember seeing a hyde sails ad as a kid of 11 with an I14 and thinking 'wow, maybe one day...', and now I do |
