KA Bladerider International Moth
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Topic: KA Bladerider International Moth
Posted By: Guest
Subject: KA Bladerider International Moth
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 2:12pm
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Interesting .... http://www.kasail.com/sailing/bladerider.html - http://www.kasail.com/sailing/bladerider.html Rick |
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 2:19pm
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The rumor is that Rohans been chatting to the olympic guys about
possible selection, and this is a possible OD version of the moth Personaly, I really hope the moth itself doesnt get selected as I think olympic status would ruin the class. The Bladerider as a seperate class being selected is an option but im not sure how it will fare when something as similar as the moth gets left behind in development 10 years down the line. ------------- |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 2:44pm
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That is what I read ... bit of a crash diet for the Finn boys ... I don't really think foiling is a big enough part of our sport to warrant representation in the Games ... buy hey how many people sail Stars. Anything could happen .... ------------- |
Posted By: iain
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 3:54pm
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I think that olympic sailing needs some excitement, it seems that TV interest may be a prerequisite for any sport these days. Isn't that Rohan's Fastacraft Prowler all over the KA site, does not seem right to use another builders boat to promote their own product, is that legal? I am not sure you should believe the hype being put out there.
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:05pm
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Rohan has been responsible for a lot of KAs sail development, hence why his boat is pictured
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:36pm
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From the website
Surely this cannot be correct?. The aim will be to get foiling as soon as poss so you will want to be the lightest sailor possible who can pull the main in. Once foiling the torque (for want of a better word) required to drive the boat forward is low, so (I assume) there is less heeling pressure in the sail as the sail will be flatter (and healed to windward) as you only need power to get up on the foils.
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:51pm
I guess they are trying to deal with the weight issue but in marginal foiling conditions helm weight is has to be a huge factor ... regards, Rick ------------- |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 7:56pm
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just so you know sam pasco who has just got the moth speed record of 26.3 knots is 80kg! ------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 8:01pm
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No doubt weight is less of an issue once up and running but in the marginal stuff the light weights will be well away ... Rick ------------- |
Posted By: Glen
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 1:35am
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I agree with those above that you should not believe some of the hype being put out here. Comments like the shape of the Bladerider is an advancement over the Hungry Tiger and Prowler. Bold comments for a hull that I believe has not even hit the water yet. Certainly not proven hulls like the Hungry Tiger or Prowler which are built by boat builders who have built 90% of the moth fleet in the past 10 years. I also don't believe Andrew Mcdougall has built a single moth in the past 10 years. The wording on this site is fairly misleading for the uninformed. I think the warranty being offered is a reflection of an unproven/untested product. I think these guys are a long way from having a proven and tested product such as the Hungry Tiger or Prowler. Buyer beware. |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 1:02pm
Easier to rig than any other dinghy? Easier to sail than any other dinghy? The weight argument has been dealt with above. It's such utter rubbish/hype that I wonder how they dare 'publish' it. The boat may be great, but there's no way it should be an olympic boat. The contention that it would make good TV is flawed. In my experience as a spectator, foilers look great when up but to be honest after the initial wow there's not a lot happening apart from the speed to make it look exciting (and the thrill of speed is notoriously difficult to capture on TV). If they drop off the foils they're slow and very dull. Best singlehander for the Olympics must be the Musto Skiff. |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 10:53pm
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definitely a lot of hype in there, but I believe that a boat like the Moth is on of many pinnacles of the sailing world and is as close to a perfect boat for the Olympics as you can get. No one can just get in and sail one. (Maybe not perfect for Qingdao due to the wind speeds mind... another subject all together) I think in light of the recent on board footage from the moths that it could be superb TV - go check out the clips. www.int-moth.org.uk (No bias - honest guv!) |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 11:13pm
I inagine something went pearshaped in the copy and the compare was meant to be any other high performance boat or those lines. |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 11:37pm
probably because the phrase "easier to rig and sail than a boat which is harder to rig and sail" didn't sound too promising... ------------- One step forwards, 2 steps back... |
Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 08 Jun 06 at 10:07pm
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I don't see how sailing a boat on hydrofoils will be any more interesting to a non sailing TV viewer than watching a Finn or Laser. Once you've seen a boat sail very quickly and on foils you've see them all, can we have some running please? At least with the Finn and Laser you get closer, more tactical racing which will hold the interest of those of us that do sail. Racing a boat that sails that quickly is an acheivement, but a very differant acheivement that the ones that the Olympics are intended to reward. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Jun 06 at 10:21pm
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> At least with the Finn and Laser you get closer, more
tactical racing Suggest you go and see some foiler Moths racing... Its quiote enthralling with close guys (and at the 5 rings they always will be close) because there are so many choices of hight and speed: diffoicult to nail a cover on and keepi t, none of this lead off the start and cover to the finish stuff, you've got to be going for it right round the track |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 09 Jun 06 at 12:54am
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One of the top Mothies came cruising through our fleet last season.
With 50+ boards and boats on a little inlet, it seems that almost no
one noticed the Moth foiling along. I expected everyone to be talking
about it while unrigging, but the overwhelming reaction (even from the
fleets he sailed through) was that people just didn't see it. The same
thing happened to some extent at Geelong when Rohan Veal was sailing. It's undoubtably cool to look at and people watch with fascination once they have noticed, but perhaps it's not necessarily eye-catching to the casual observer. The sailor was loving it; he said it was as much fun as the first time he planed, and (like others) he said they are if anything more tactical now as they lose less speed while tacking. Exactly how tactical pre-foil Moths were is of course a separate question. The Moth also seems to suffer from the same problem as modern windsurfers. The monofilm sail looks interesting but it's less eye-catching. Most of the windsurfers you see in ads and other graphic designs are '80s versions because then they had colourful mylar sails, and art directors just love colour and always prefer it to action. It's something people have commented on and ISAF demanded colourful sails for the new Olympic board but like most things, it didn't deliver. At least one of Rohan's boats looked the goods, though, with the whole hull covered by a very cool sticker. Para, surely Olympics should be about both "racing boats that sail quickly" and about racing other boats quickly? They may be quite different skills (and the latter is more popular) but surely both are worthwhile. |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 06 at 8:33am
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[QUOTE=Paramedic] I don't see how sailing a boat on hydrofoils will be
At least with the Finn and Laser you get closer, more tactical racing which
Racing a boat that sails that quickly is an acheivement, but a very differant
QUOTE] I've never seen any excitement in watching people running on TV. The 100m sprint is like a premature ejectulation. Surely foiling Moths would make better TV? ------------- |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 06 at 8:35am
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Has anyone fitted a foiling Moth (or similar) with a gennaker? That would be
fun. Or would you end up kite surfing?  ------------- |
Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 09 Jun 06 at 10:59am
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Yes, absolutely the Olympics is about sailing boats that sail quickly and about the best sailor in his peak physical condition winning. At the moment, as far as singlehanders go, the Laser and the Finn seem the best boats for the job in that they are all the same,carry a variety of crew weights and are not all that easy to sail to their best. Hydrofoils definatly are worthwhile and have their place, i'm just not sure that the Olympics is it just yet.
Agreed, but the x,000,000 people who do watch running, jumping etc are those that the BBC are interested in. I don't think that people who don't sail would find foiling boats any more interesting than conventional ones. Better commentry is the main issue that needs adressing IMO, but people have got to want to watch it. |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 09 Jun 06 at 4:34pm
Unlikely that it needs it really, when they can match 49er's downwind without one... |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 10 Jun 06 at 12:08pm
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In the US there is something thats called a modern moth, looks like a europe and has been fitted with a kite. http://www.mothboat.com/USMMCA/usmmca.html - http://www.mothboat.com/USMMCA/usmmca.html ------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |