what boat for two teenagers?
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Topic: what boat for two teenagers?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: what boat for two teenagers?
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 4:42pm
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me and my friend would like to move into a doublehander together but not sure which to choose as theres many out there. we are both 15 years old, weight 17-18 stone together and are pretty fit. we both have lots of experience sailing toppers (both asked to join the british youth sqaud) and have a small amount of experience in more modern boats can use trapezes, hoist and gybe spinnys. we would ideally like a boat with a single trapeze and a asymetric spinny a good race scene would be nice but not nesserary as we a very active and dont have much time to travel the country going to events ty in advance |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 5:08pm
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Rs200, 29er, V3000, 420, Cherub, are the immedaite choices that spring to mind for the lighter weight pairs. |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 5:16pm
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If your not looking for a super-active class .. take a look at a 405 Single trapeze, assymetric spinni, and can be picked up felativley cheapley. Else .. 29er or 29er XX (the new, twin trapeze one!) ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 5:24pm
Why only a new rules cherub? A 97 boat could be just the ticket... What are you looking to spend? theres a masive amount of choice out there and cost is probibly your best way to start narrowing it down ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 5:55pm
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Sorry isis, good point....i shall ammed my earlier comment. Have only seen a new rules cherub up close, it seemed a very good lightweight boat. |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 6:01pm
b14 - cheapish , fast, big sails, hiking but still - big sails OR you could wait until the end of july early august and buy my 29er for &3500  ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 7:42pm
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get an oppy ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 7:45pm
Get a http://www.skiffs.org.uk - 6 Foot Skiff ... ------------- |
Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 7:46pm
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no, they want a good old wooden oppy! ------------- Sailor Girl, Queen Of The Forum! |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 7:53pm
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no, they want a good new carbon 6 foot skiff!
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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 8:29pm
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Stop with the 6ft skiff / oppie war. Trty and keep the thread useful, seems like this person actually WANTS help, and has a serious question. ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 8:34pm
Sorry... two fit young lads, wanting something with a trapeze and assymetric... why is a 6ft skiff NOT a sensible suggestion? ------------- |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 8:49pm
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Laser 4000? ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 9:02pm
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v3000 ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 9:59pm
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how about you both buy 600s! *now now there's no need to fight over who gets mine*  ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 11:02pm
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Tom from the Welsh Topper Squad was at the 3000 open at Carsington with his family last weekend ... we got him helming a Laser 3000 (3 races) and V3000 (1 race) and he won them all I'd say get a Laser 3000 (available >£2000), then maybe upgrade the sails if you stick with it, then maybe the invest in the rest of a V3000 if you like the class ... if not, sell it on after a year and use it as a stepping stone into a 29er worth finding time for some class coaching and racing, whatever your choice, to hone your asymmetric techniques contact mailto:info@3000class.org.uk - info@3000class.org.uk if you'd like a trial sail in a Laser 3000 or V3000 at one of our events (well, someone did say it was time to get serious |
... he's hookedPosted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 11:16pm
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Tom (left) with crew Matt |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 9:28am
| a 29er xx is meant to preform very badly. get a 29er they preform better or a new v 3000. |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 11:33am
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Has the one on the right fallen out a tree?? ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 11:38am
Errrr..... Strawberry, me thinks the pot is calling the kettle black?! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 11:39am
Where did you get that from? ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 11:43am
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Boys.... Ever thought about a Cat?
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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 12:18pm
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stawberry, you crack me up, literally just hope his dad, NickA from the forum, doesn't see your comment or he'll be making a 'strawberry softie' out of you ... just sending him a link now |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 6:01pm
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bah tom was bound to win!!! going to have to put him back in his place when i next see him... he's been sailing since he was about 3 he only weighs in at around 4 stone and there was no wind!! I doubt he'll come on here but tom you can have your ps2 game back nxt time i see you. Back to the thread i'd seriously consider a 97 rules cherub then as you grow/get used to the boat you can upgrade it to 2005 rules ------------- |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 6:25pm
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29er, definitely, whilst you're still light enough. You might do some swimming at first and it might be tough above force 4 but it's a great and cool looking yoof boat. 29er xx probably does preform badly but I've heard it performs pretty well! Skip the 405, heavy, underpowered, old. 420 worse, time travelled from the 50s by the look of it; to be sailed in cork block bouyancy aids and thick sweaters only. As for you Strawberry, fallen out of a tree?
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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 7:02pm
I have only heard very good reports about the 29er X from the guys who have sailed it. But the most important piece of advice before buying a boat has to be... try all the options than go for the one which you enjoyed best! ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 10:55pm
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Have seen the 29er X being sailed in force 5 conditions at the Hoo Freezer ealier this year and it outpaces RS800s so i dont think the term "perform very badly" can be associated with this boat. Doug |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 11:16pm
| But the 800 beat it in the Freezer, Doug...easily. |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 19 May 06 at 8:13am
the rs feva is the new 29er trainer now not the 405 
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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 19 May 06 at 10:43am
Oops, my bad!
Sorry Nick, I apologise. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Woss that mean then? I think my lad is quite good looking - but I'm an ignorant pr&*k (remember) so what would I know.
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 19 May 06 at 1:13pm
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No no no, don't apologise! If we all start apologising for our brainless comments there'll be no time for all this banter! Feva? As a trainer for 29ers? For tinies and early teens I guess; but two skilled 15 yr olds can surely manage a laser 3000 at least |
Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 19 May 06 at 1:18pm
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hey strawb, we all know it's in jest ... the forum would be drab otherwise, and you have to admit he could use a haircut, nick
looked at http://www.rssailing.com/fleets.asp?fleet=RS%20Feva - http://www.rssailing.com/fleets.asp?fleet=RS%20Feva and the feva does look good ... ISAF recognition ... 20 to 30 boats at many opens ... under 16 and parent/child fleets ... not bad for a rotomould, and opens up a double-handed route from a young age, as opposed to Oppy > Topper > Laser Radial > Laser which breeds helms sounds like these guys could be a bit beyond a feva though, and a trapeze boat could be a better step up ... straight into a tippy 29er from a topper might be too much of a stretch though, and not much fun, which is what it's all about ... a more stable single trapeze boat for a couple of years would probably see them advancing quicker overall |
... but back on topicPosted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19 May 06 at 10:58pm
Sorry i should have elaborated better, i was refering to the straight line speeds of the boats (watching them whilst trekking behind them upwind), the overall results of that competition were down to boat handling....and not capsizing Doug |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19 May 06 at 11:06pm
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Can there be a delete post button please mr/mrs forum person |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 20 May 06 at 7:16pm
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Laser 4000 would be a cool option. Cheap, fast. Good To Sail and challenging with an excellent circuit with great national and euro events
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 20 May 06 at 10:28pm
you can kind of by writing something completely different to what it said before or just put a smiley face if needs be ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 5:35pm
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why not an rs 500 good.beter than a 29er ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 5:41pm
*chokes* ROFLMAOPMSLHAHALOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! *breathes* ------------- |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 5:44pm
u ever sailed one? ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 5:55pm
have you? ------------- |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 5:56pm
*throws feva_sailor the keys to a JCB to aid him with his hole digging* ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 5:57pm
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yes i did at weymouth actually and soooo much more fun than a 29er(ive sailed that too) ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 6:14pm
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Do a search for a previous thread on the 500 to find the general opinion on it Ive not sailed either but im terrified if the 500 can send it like the 29er was on sunday.... ------------- |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 6:35pm
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yes i have now.i still think its so much faster ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 6:40pm
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The 29er is an extremely efficient design, the RS500 still looks like it was designed a few years before it and generally, I don't think RS were planning on building a 29er beater, think they were hoping to target, in some aspects, young sailors who didn't want to go as "hardcore" as the 29ers. The 500 might be more enjoyable to sail in some respects because you might get more from putting less effort into the boat than on the 29er. The theory seemed to work with the 800, not pitting it directly against the 49er, even although I remember reading that one of the prototypes was faster than the 49er but they decided to tone it down a bit to appeal to a wider audience. Maybe the 500 has "Vago-itis", it feels faster than it actually is, you can't really judge until you get both the boats out on the water and set them off against each other, I'll put £100 on the 29er being faster.... ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 6:43pm
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Any boat will go rediculous speed when you get into rediculous winds. Some of the fastest sailing i have ever done has been in the 29er. Having not sailed the 500 i cant give an educated opinion but it doesn't 'look' quite as fast - hull design wise. ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 6:46pm
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I reckon we might be looking at comparing the 500 unfairly, reckon a good comparision might be against the V3000 and Vago, which are still pretty good boats. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 6:47pm
actually in the water it dosnt look that nice but out of the water you realise it will go fast ------------- |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 6:47pm
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Hmm methinks 29er!!
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 6:50pm
The hole deepens.... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 7:07pm
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despite of the fact that the 500 'mey go faster, The 29er has a very well established class, and a very bright future already set out for it. It is the ISAF boat for 2007 and the youth fleet is rapidly increasing. Both boats are suited to different aspects of sailing. I would suggest that the 29er is the boat for someone who will be participating in youth events and hoping to compete on a larger scale. I am not sure what the 500 is suited to (especially with the two rigs) but i am sure it will find it's own way. Maybe the person who started the thread could tell us his opinions ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 7:12pm
Funny, my opinion was based on only having seen it OUT the water ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24 May 06 at 10:58pm
Any boat can give a higher sensation of speed, its simple just make a boat that kicks up tons of spray and make it a bit tippy, Ka-Plow all of a sudden youve got yourself a feel fast winning formula! The vago also a feel fast, go slooooooww winning formula! Good for learning in although dont expect RS500 to be invited to the holt tide ride just yet. Doug |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 29 May 06 at 5:31pm
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sorry to be blunt but there is know way a 500 is faster than a 29er and i am sure the people at RS would tell you the same! I would be happy to put money on it too! ------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:40pm
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Bov, maybe we should start a betting ring on y&y, might help pay off the student loans ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:42pm
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Next bet, is the Vago faster than the 4000, any takers? I'll put £500 on the 4000 ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 5:08pm
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Are we talking straight line speed? or round the course speed? i'm thinking a downwind spinny leg would give the best judgement of the overall top speed of each boat. ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 5:29pm
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More than one Laser salesman has claimed to me that the Vago is as fast downwind as a 4000. If you divide what salesmen say by two, you're about right: we could give our club's 2000's a good old run for their money downwind when we tried a Vago demonstrator in a F3-4! A 3000 would have been long gone. As for round the course, PY 980? - maybe with Ben Ainsley... I guess even the 500 would be pushing it at that PY, 'cept maybe in light airs against trapeze-boat opposition. But the flexy hull should give a nice spring-suspension ride... |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 5:41pm
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Someone owes me £500!!!!!! Getting the debt collecting boots on now, Laser centre is in Banbury aint it? ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 Jun 06 at 10:03pm
thx for advice i still havent chosen yet but it looks like its gonno a 29er or a laser 3000. It seems laser 3000 would be a good stepping stone boat but we would only sail it for a few months before a 29er would be calling. How hard is the jump from topper to 29er? |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 07 Jun 06 at 10:23pm
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The jump for a helm is pretty managable really, it is the crew who has the hard job. they have to be able to keep the boat totally flat which can be pretty tricky sometimes. The kite is fairly unforgiving and the boat is noticably unstable. When i 1st moved into the boat with my brother we had an advantage that he was an rs800 crew for a year so he was fairly experianced with skiffs. It is a challenge but it is an attainable one. You may swim to start off with but with practice the 'boat handling hump' can be overcome fairly quickly. Throw yourself in and get going, the learning curve may be steep, but it is fun! PM me if you want any tips. Plus i am selling my boat after the nats and worlds in july so if you would like a well sorted, well priced, competitive specimen of the 29er class, get in touch ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |