Differences between Splash and Flash?
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Topic: Differences between Splash and Flash?
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Subject: Differences between Splash and Flash?
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 9:54am
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My sons in a Oppy and my wife is getting back into sailing and is a
lightweight (48kg). Getting a Splash / Flash seems a good option. But there doesn't seem to much info about the Flash anywhere I can find. What are the differences? I'm pressuming it is just sail size? Do many people sail Flashes in the UK? e.t.c e.t.c Let's us know. Cheers Jack ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 10:07am
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Yes I thought about this for the same reason as you. As far as I could see it was just sail size. Mostly sailed in the east of England. Check some of the clubs in East Anglia for more info. Cheers |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 10:11am
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Jack, From the Splash CA website (it is buried). The Flash has a bigger sail and a longer boom. Splash sail area 5.5 sq m PY 1184 Flash sail area 7.0 sq m (same as a Laser 1 I believe) PY 1130 (provisional) As for numbers, I am not sure. If you look on the CA website you may be able to get an idea of where fleets are and of second hand boat values. You might find that the Byte is a better bet and the new rig does look good :-). Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 10:25am
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Yeah.. I like the look of the Byte with the new rig. It just seemed a better
long term bet to get a Splash, so when the nipper gets bigger he can move into an International class that's more of a boat than a Topper and designed for kids e.t.c And my good lady can sail it till that happens. Flash sail area seems a bit big for a 48kg lady though. And form the look of it doesn't seem to be sailed much in the Flash form. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 11:45am
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If the nipper really gets in to it you could always let them habe the byte until they outgrow it then purchase a chesp old Laser (apologies for the language). Then you have got international class status in it's abundance. For my money I would go for the byte though as the running costs will be lower (ie you dont need to spend a fortune on new sails every couple of years). Also when they outgrow the Byte they may want something a little more exciting (such as a Cherub......) Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 12:34pm
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CII BYTE CII BYTE CII BYTE if 40Kg Singapore girls can do a Byte and me at 75Kg can have a laugh in 10kts with a CII rig you are onto a winner... ------------- One step forwards, 2 steps back... |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 12:55pm
------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 1:20pm
So it works that well then? I had a go of Ian's boat when he and Julian were still playing with it. It seemed to be pretty good but I had nothing to compare it with. Interesting to hear you say it has the weight range Ian wanted. Was your weight competitive? |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 2:24pm
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world champ weighs 73kgs, top team in the world IMHO comes from singapore weight low!! It is an excellent rig. I'm at the top end 68kgs and have only just started in the boat and was competetive aginst 2 europes in force 1 gusting 2 sailed by 2 decent sailors who are loads lighter than me. They beat me by 2 mins in a 70 min race so about right on handicap and i've still got lots learn about the boat. ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 5:18pm
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You're no convincing me that 48 kgs is a good idea with what you just
posted?!  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 6:03am
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Jack - the simple message is 40Kg and up can sail the boat very competitively, as can those up to 70 to 75 Kg. Your missus at 48kg would be absolutely fine. Chris249 - my opinion is that the CII rig works extremely well - balancing traveller, mainsheet, kicker and downhaul lets you get the leech exactly where you want it to be and the fullness in the sail where it needs to be and the gust response is superb. I can't claim to having masses of time in the boat but in Phuket I sailed against a kid from the japanese yout squad in 5 - 8kts. He was about 50kg and we were essentially neck & neck around the course so I would say I was still competitive. ------------- One step forwards, 2 steps back... |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 8:28am
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Jack I started in the Laser Radial when i was just a wee 45kg and I was
severely overpowered when it got windy. I then sold the laser,
bought a byte c11 for a season and had fantastic time in all wind
strengths and was never really overpowered. I then decided I
wanted better racing so i sold the byte and bought a radial again but
at 50kg was still properly mashed by the big guys when the wind picked
up. the moral of the story.........get a C11 Byte!! ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 7:46pm
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Thanks for that. It's always good to hear from people that have actually
sailed the boat in question. In fact it would be good to hear from some Splash / Flash sailors! Anybody out there? ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 11:19pm
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Thanks for the Byte CII info, all. The rig looked good but there seems
to be some hostility towards it (as well as those for it) on the Byte
forum. One thing I really liked was the way the builder was going to sell the rig at cost (or close to it) to association members so they could update the whole rig for the cost of a new main. Great way to update a class without stuffing up existing owners and therefore losing your numbers. |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 4:13pm
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a C11 thingy sailed at my club once a couple of weeks ago. it went about the same speed as the lasers. it did have john pink in it though. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: tickel
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 9:07pm
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A very experienced sailor at our little Derbyshire club pops down once in a while and thrashes us all in his CII Byte. It is a very old hull and he is not in the first flush of youth. He is very light for a man, possibly only 8 stone (I dont do this metric thing) and he popped over to Grafham last year, because he had nothing better to do, and won the inlands. I was there watching my boy in the Lightning inlands. All the Byte sailors seemed quite diminutive but they are lovely little boats and look modern too. ------------- tickel |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 16 May 06 at 9:24am
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The hostility to the CII rig came mostly from the north American sailors, where it is much more established youth class, however the standard or classic rig as we now call it, is pretty much dead for international contests as far as I can tell and doesn't support quite as wide a weight band. The hulls last forever as well, the guy who came a very convincing second in the open this weekend is ahem (forgive me Ray) well seasoned, as is his boat, but he was certainly not lacking for boatspeed except against the very good sailor who came first. The competetive age range is really good as well from a kids right up to the more mature. DO IT you know you want to!!! ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |