Pico PN
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Topic: Pico PN
Posted By: scottishgem
Subject: Pico PN
Date Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 5:52pm
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Does anyone know if Picos have a different handicap when raced with normal beach sails instead of battened sails????
Gem 420 48096 |
Replies:
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 6:14pm
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does it really make that much difference on a pico? ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 6:26pm
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Im pretty sure you do get different handicaps but couldnt quote any numbers im afraid...
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Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 9:36pm
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yes they do a girl at my club had one! ------------- lifes to short to sail slow boats! RIP Olympic Tornado 1976-2007 |
Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 03 Apr 06 at 10:23pm
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I have a similar question regarding my Topper Topaz 'Race' - The RYA's website doesn't show a PY No. for a Topaz in their 2006 listing so where to I look to find out what I should be sailing under ? I have the same kind of issue because I have both the standard sail and the fully battened race sail plus the option of sailing either with a jib (cue comment: "does it make any difference ? etc etc blah blah blah)  The most obvious people to ask would be representatives from the class association...if only there was one. Topper's website does show PY Nos. but I've been told that they are out-of-date.........any ideas ?  Many thanks in advance ------------- I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg) Graduate 2530 'Galaxy' |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 9:13am
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Does it make any difference...ha ha I'm so witty. I wonder if you'll think its so clever if they set a really slow one the thump you in every handicap race you sail in? And frankly given some of the people who have a habit of making those sort of comments and what they sail I'd have thought they would want to see fair handicap racing. Yes i'm in a bad mood this morning ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 9:53am
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i have found the "uno" PY which is 1204. But havent found one for the race. Will keep a look out ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 9:29pm
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Tack-ho, what are you on about ? Is it such a stupid question ? - I'm not trying to query the handicap, just trying to find out what it's supposed to be. I'm not very experienced at this sailing lark but I have noticed that on the race entry forms at my local club there is a box for the PY No......I'd just like to be able to put the correct one in the box. Topper's site shows 1255 for both the Uno and Uno+ and 1240 for the Race and Race+, however, last year, race officials at my club told me that the RYA's listing shows it as 1210 (that was last year and I'm not sure if that was for the Uno or Uno Race). I just wondered where I was supposed to find out, that's all ! ------------- I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg) Graduate 2530 'Galaxy' |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 10:30pm
Hi WebMuppet I think you'll find Tack-Ho is defending your position, because of the rather thoughtless and lemming like response the original question prompted. We have the same problem with Pico PY, and considering how many there are out there, one would have thought that there may be some somewhat more solid data. Anybody have any club PY's for the Pico? |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 10:39pm
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I'm pretty sure Y&Y's racing classes review had handicaps in it (sadly mine is not to hand) for both boats, which may be a little out of date, but would allow you to start the process of finding a good level of handicap from nearer than pure guesswork. The RYA's book of PY numbers has all the recorded numbers etc in that they don't publish on the website, and all clubs who send returns get a free copy, so your sailing sec may have some up to date info. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 04 Apr 06 at 10:56pm
Are you sure ?.......I certainly didn't feel very defended ! Thank-you Rupert, I think the Y&Y Nos. were out of date as well, however I'll check with my club to see if they have a more complete listing from the RYA. Apologies for my ignorance, I just thought that the info would be more readily available i.e. on the web, regards ------------- I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg) Graduate 2530 'Galaxy' |
.........it just sounded grumpy and unhelpful to me. Apologies if I've misunderstood Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 05 Apr 06 at 8:03am
Thank you Pierre, I could have used the quote function but i was trying not to attack anyone in paticular and was trying to head off what would usually have followed a sensible question by webmuppet. ps. can we get a emocotion for sarcasm? ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Phat Bouy
Date Posted: 05 Apr 06 at 1:51pm
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Sailwave gives the PY for the Pico as 1259 for 1 up with 1 sail and 1263 for 2 up with 2 sails.
------------- Je suis Marxiste - tendance Groucho |
Posted By: scottishgem
Date Posted: 05 Apr 06 at 9:27pm
cool, just thought id find out, not for me but for my 'sometimes' crew, (my other half works shifts so when he's not available i rope my mate in to crew our 420) the poor soul gets lapped by everyone in a pico and i feel guilty!
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