Boats from Brazil
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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: Boats from Brazil
Posted By: Shingle
Subject: Boats from Brazil
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 3:50pm
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Is it just cheaper labour costs making Richard Woof move manufacture of some RS boat to Brazil? Anyone ever expedited manufcture in South America? It's amazing that something as big as an RS800 hull can now be made on the otherside of the Atlantic and then shipped over more cost effectively. ------------- Drink Feck girls! |
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 5:36pm
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its the fact they make them in bulk that makes them cheaper. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 6:34pm
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when you say "bulk" what exactly do you mean? Most fibreglass
boats have to be made from a highly specific mould and usually there
aren't that many of these moulds around (especially for a relatively
new boat like the 800) because they have to be exactly
the same because otherwise people would start complaining that one
mould is faster, better shaped etc. It's only easy to bulk
build rotomoulded plastic boats like fevas, visions.......It must just
be cheap labour costs over there and the cost of land of the factory
they're built on and also the cost of their transport.
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 6:42pm
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sorry i meant that they ship alot of them at once. i agree with you though the labour costs will make more of a difference than shipping costs probably. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 6:47pm
However, they still manage to achieve a 20% difference in the hull weights! ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 6:58pm
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since hyde sails have moved to the far east, delivery time has been slashed even with rarely ordered sails shows the reason why they have moved! ------------- lifes to short to sail slow boats! RIP Olympic Tornado 1976-2007 |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 4:08pm
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how??? if they're further away how do they get sails here quicker? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 4:18pm
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Cheeper land + vastly cheeper labour = more staff employed + more productivity for same money ------------- |
Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 4:51pm
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Its quicker to make then from scratch rather than quicker shipping times. ------------- http://theramblingsofmyinnergeek.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 5:08pm
he said delivery time its not my fault im easily confused ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 6:25pm
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sorry meant quicker in terms of time taken from order placed to order delivered! ------------- lifes to short to sail slow boats! RIP Olympic Tornado 1976-2007 |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 9:01pm
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Slave labour ...... that's what. Workers get less than the UK minimum wage (and then some), company directors get new cars (and yachts). |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 10:46pm
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well said that man... it is all about directores making higher profits and who cares about the uk employees that are now unemployed!!!! ------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
Posted By: STEVEB
Date Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 8:40am
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Hi, to be fair they probably also intend to sell more boats outside europe, after all lasers are manufactured in lots of countries including the uk Steve ------------- Steve |
Posted By: Shingle
Date Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 12:16pm
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Why ship the original moulds out then? Why not make another set? ------------- Drink Feck girls! |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 12:25pm
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mmmmm....the UK cannot support a large manufacturing base, our wages are too high to provide consumers with products which will not be undercut by foriegn imports, net result companies go bust emplyees still loose their jobs so steer clear of the union job protection mandate! The employees may get less than the UK minimum wage but they are paid alot better than by local employers and genrerally have better conditions. I know there are exceptions and as consumers we have the abiltiy to exercise our rights not to buy their products. By the way these company directors who make money and buy flash cars! who sells them the car? who developed the car? who services the car? who refines the fuel for the car? where does the tax on the flash car go? need i go on? ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 3:58pm
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i know something about this cos we did it in "citezenship". if the countries are very poor ledcs with lots of debt then providing cheap labour is good because it means people get employed which means the government gets taxes which means they can pay off debt. so in theory we should buy cheap stuff from the middle east. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 4:08pm
Middle East?!? I thought we were
talking about Brazil. Anyway some of those Middle Eastern
countries have got more money than sense. Okay they don't share
it out that well but they've got it all there from their oil.
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Shingle
Date Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 4:47pm
Obviously concentrated too much in citizenship and not enough in geography! ------------- Drink Feck girls! |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 7:14pm
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tack'ho here is one for you.who is undercutting the RS boats with foriegn inports? and are the new lower labour cost built boats any cheaper???
------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 9:00am
------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 9:25am
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RMW do build most of the RS range I thought that was why we were all talking about Brazil as they have just moved there! I have to say i would be a bit worryed about boats saging a bit in the hot containers. It realy depends to what temp the boats are post cured to? As I know the Ovington 49er's only go up to about 35c and containers can get a lot hotter than that.
------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 9:34am
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Arrh I see, well who is undercutting the RS range? dunno haven't done a price analysis this is the beginning of this trend so it'll be while before things sort them selves out though. ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 9:41am
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no one as you cant buy RS boats from anyone else! unless LDC who sell the RS range had been looking for someone cheaper than RMW. thus there move to Brazil. ------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 9:53am
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I was thinking model vs model such as golf/focus as this tends to be how newcomers view getting into the sport. ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 10:00am
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Good on 'em if it turns out to be a sound business decision, like
as not, we have to face facts that much of the higher cost involved in
our sport is driven by the fact that many of the parts we need/want for
our boats are made in very small volume, extensively by hand and by
small, specialist companies. I like the craftmanship and hope it
continues, I for one will always be happy to pay more for a bit of nice
looking wood on a boat, but for mass market fittings, GRP/FRP hulls and
alloy or composite spars, a bit of 'offshore' low cost manufacturing
may not hurt - as long as some of the saving is passed on to us the
consumers The one thing they'll have to watch is the time it will take to bring hulls from S.America by sea because long lead times are very much the norm.... not good hearing "it's somewhere between Brazil and Rotterdam" when you phone to ask where your new boat is a week or two before the nationals!! ------------- Feeling sorry for vegans since it became the latest fad to claim you are one |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 10:01am
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There is an exciting new development on the horizon. Sorry this is a bit cryptic, but I believe a press release will be out at the end of this week. |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 10:17am
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Not another new boat please!!!! and don't try to sell us on a
topper style different boat by putting new rig on old roto-moulded hull
job either!
------------- Feeling sorry for vegans since it became the latest fad to claim you are one |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 10:19am
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You'll just have to wait and see
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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 10:37am
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ooooo. An exciting new development, right folks lets get guessing, there will be a prize for the closest and most ridiculous suggestion (this statemnt is not legally binding
Is it that RS have done a secret deal to produce the two new supercarriers for the navy? ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
).Posted By: Shingle
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 10:54am
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Sounds like Chew should clarify whether he's 'in the trade' on his signature, or whether his source is jungle drums! ------------- Drink Feck girls! |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 11:02am
| Jungle drums only. I only work on big grey ships. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 12:04pm
...so yes then! mmm... I can see it now... *fancy swirly fade out effect*
*fancy swirly fadey thing to bring us back to the present* ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 2:01pm
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I'm waiting for the RS 100 (10' superfast singlehander for midgets) or the RS 900, 3 trapeze 18' skiff lookalike... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 4:18pm
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i think its going to be something like rs or some other manufacturer putting hydrofoils on something. or it could be that someone has actually managed to build and sail one of the 6ft skiffs already. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 6:46pm
I've heard rumours of hydrofoils on RS600 - sounds awesome (awesome speed, awesome difficulty staying upright!) ------------- Feeling sorry for vegans since it became the latest fad to claim you are one |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 30 Mar 06 at 6:51pm
The foiling 600 has been in development by Linton Jenkins of Fullforce for some time and I think It must be getting fairly close to release by now ( I did have a target launch date but dont remember off hand) However RS has played very little part in its development as far as im aware and I dont hink its enough of a secret to be this... Theres been a couple of threads about it on here... do a search if your interested. ------------- |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 01 Apr 06 at 10:44am
| See new thread 'Razor Dinghy' for the answer! |