12 foot skiff photo's
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Topic: 12 foot skiff photo's
Posted By: jimmywalsh2
Subject: 12 foot skiff photo's
Date Posted: 20 Mar 06 at 4:11am
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Photographer Garrick Cameron http://www.skiff.org.au/Interdominions/2006/photos.htm - http://www.skiff.org.au/Interdominions/2006/photos.htm
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 20 Mar 06 at 2:40pm
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Some nice shots there, loving the last day pics especialy... Interesting shot here though...
They seem to be set up with the adjustor above the grip, and the loop mounted on a bar or thick bit of rope below that... Is that common practice over there? dont think ive seen it over here.. ------------- |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 20 Mar 06 at 3:28pm
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Ive seen em. i shal explain on msn tho ------------- 
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 20 Mar 06 at 5:44pm
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Sorted. Cheers. Next question then... are they recomended? looking closely through the pics a few boats have them but most are conventional setup... ------------- |
Posted By: allanorton
Date Posted: 20 Mar 06 at 9:21pm
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They're most useful for the helm for wire to wire tacking/gybing, some Contenders have been using them for a while. You can grab the tube and carry on out to the gunwhale, then manipulate the trapeze hook to hook on all with one hand. I don't think they are quite so useful for the crew, as the crew can wire to wire with the normal set up. ------------- |
Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 21 Mar 06 at 12:00am
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Somewhere on the Contender website there's a lot of footage of the 2004 Worlds on Garda and you can see Soren Anderson Den44 tacking using the bars. Ian |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 11:34am
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Does it matter? The ones on the portside are BLUE ------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 11:56am
| Because we are all upside down..... down here..... Port and Starboard are reversed. |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 6:45pm
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what a load of rubbish ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 7:15pm
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[[/QUOTE] i think that is a reason to start a new thread ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: No. 5
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 6:43pm
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I was once told by an old salt that the reason green is bad luck on a boat is because wrecks used to be marked with hulks painted green. Or something like that. I rarely wash my rugby kit but thats because I'm a forward and it's a matter of pride to have dirty kit. Clean kit is for the girly backs. |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 7:33pm
or maybe u should stop living on the street and begg to get back in the house to wash ur kit. boots is slightly different to shirts etc. ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:16pm
bare slewage - nice one Luke
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:24pm
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seams me and dennis arnt the only chavs on the forum!! ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: No. 5
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 1:24pm
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We get a launderette to wash the shirts, but having clean white shorts in the forwards can mark you out as a target, as I said it's normally only the the backs who have clean kit as they're too dainty to really get stuck in. They are fun to run into though. Remember this isn't association football, this is a game where even beard stubble can be used aggresively. |
Posted By: No. 5
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 1:40pm
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I'm offended that you think I'm a chav, I don't mind if you think I'm a savage though. |
Posted By: Sumo
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 2:31pm
Luke, what are you doing wearing football boats when your sailing! |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 3:09pm
i wasnt calling u a chav i was calling p-buster a chav. well what is it with rugby anyways?? like nearlly all people that sail prefer rugby to football, or maybe i am just not normal.
------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 4:53pm
Thats what his mummy tells him ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 4:55pm
rugby is better than football and backs are only footballers who learnt to catch. tight head prop here ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 6:40pm
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............and tight head props are just sailors who ate a bit too much
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 7:14pm
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its still better than being a back. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: bigman chris
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 7:34pm
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yeh i agree realli how hard can it to catch a ball??? then they have the guts to blame it on us if we lose the game from a loose head prop lol ------------- fireball what ever i can lay my hands on blackwater sailing club |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 10:38pm
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They just have all that time hanging around to practise moaning while waiting for the forwards to do all the hard work... ... from a forward (anywhere apart from tight head  )------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 11:23pm
So we are admitting to it now??????? Funnily enough I prefer football to rugby, don't mind seeing Scotland beat England at the Rugby though! Green is unlucky, if I could get away with it, I'd take the green spots on the 9er sail off and make them blue. Another one is don't have swan lighters on boats, my Dad had a go at me about that and never change a boat's name but think everyone knows that! ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 12:38pm
Now we know why you prefer football to rugby ------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 3:51pm
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whats wrong with tight head? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 4:41pm
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Yep - a loosy who damaged my neck when I played there! Just not my position really.. blind side's the way to go
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 4:58pm
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u must have too much neck then. you need you head to be directly attached to your shoulders to be tight head. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: bigman chris
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 5:00pm
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sure do coz us loose heads try and break your neck all the time ------------- fireball what ever i can lay my hands on blackwater sailing club |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 5:07pm
I know.. I didn't want to play there but that's where my coach put me!
Worked better as a loosy, but back row is so much better 
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: ColH
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 9:33pm
Just to get back to the right sport - not that i dislike rugby (union!) - 2-man boat, 12 ft long........ok.........but how big is that f&*kin kite?!?!
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 11:15pm
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.........small boat though ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 11:40pm
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The kites on the number one rigs are 50m+. I heard a rumour of people using 60m as well.... so foooookin' huuuuuuuuuuuge!
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 2:35am
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Yeah but considering that we have to bear-straight down-wind in heavier breezes, the extra area would be causing extra drag, reducing overall speed. Think its been proven before that more efficency can outweigh the advantages of having more sail area. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 10:29am
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fun though :P ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 12:14pm
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Yes... But that is why they have 3 or 4 different rig sizes. They always aim to be slightly overpowered. Huge kite in no wind, smaller kite in a fresh breeze. Was chatting to Yabba when he was over last summer and he reckoned the 12's were the same speed or faster than the 18's off the wind so they can't be that inefficient.
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 12:17pm
I think we need a proper skiffy to reply to that. But there are a couple of things you have missed - 12footers have multi rigs for different wind strenght. So as the breeze gets up the kite size comes down. And as they are very short bigger kites have been proven to help them get down wind with out going over the bows. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 5:17pm
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Fair points and I'm not doubting that a 12 can go faster than an 18 or a 49er but within the actual class I reckon that carrying the largest kite would be a disadvantage due to the extra drag it would create. The RMW 18 was notoriously fast off-wind and they were using kites that were smaller than the majority of the class at that time. The better cut and usuage of area seemed to give then an advantage and the less drag created seemed to help boat speed. Would be interesting to explore the area more and would be good to get some feed back off some 12foot skiff sailors to see how it actually works out in their class. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 12:51pm
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I know that I have beaten good 18's donwind. Where do old 12 sailers go? To sail 18's thats where..... ------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 3:49pm
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Dennis - once ive got my 12ft No2 rig sorted ill race ya - even tho ive only managed to source a new rules I14 main and a 49er kite, a lil small I know - but ill still woop ya down wind! & I believe Loco held off a 49er downwind under 2005 rules cherub? Is that right Daryl? I love this pic - still have a spare A class mast at home........... hummm!!
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 4:04pm
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what hulls that on? is it me or are there 2 people in that? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 4:07pm
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no there's just one person..........with a head growing out of his chest and carrying an extra teapeze wire - just in case one breaks ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 4:08pm
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its a 12ft skiff with an A class sail on! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 4:18pm
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12 ft skiff without a kite??? heresey!!! ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 4:33pm
 I fink its goin upwind ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 7:17pm
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Looks a bit similar to some of the proto-type pictures of the Voodoo-skiff....... but the NZL on the sail indicates its probably a 12???? When do you think you'll have the boat sorted out Andy? Will be interesting to see if you can keep the nose up on her. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 11:34pm
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Duno when itll be fully rigged - gota attatch the new carbon spreaders to the mast, straight!! stiffen up the 14ft fixed pole and add diamonds etc to it (courtesy of my old broken holt carbon tiller extension), and make a fancy foil shaped striker which is the vertical support in the water on the pole, carbon it all on together. SERIOUSLY strengthen the base of the pole 10cm forward of the snout as this will be where the new jib tack will attatch! But Aqua doesnt nosedive- that was my old cherub, only pitch poled her once ever! and that was in 30 knots as we came down the wrong side of a wave, bearing away and floggin the kite - all lead to disaster! hehe. Oh and by having a bigger kite, it lifts the bows a lil higher! tiz alllll good! Still on the hunt for an SB3 kite tho............... ps dennis - the sail on the 12 I posted last, its from an A class cat, look it up - they are the BEST single handers (please that wasnt a dig at the lasers, vareos, phantoms, RS smod like vessels, just my view as a human - I think?!?!?) ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 9:15am
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Are we sure thats a 12 in that A-class rig picture? Shape of the foredeck and 2 crew on the wire says yes but I dont think ive ever seen a 12 with racks (aqua doesnt count andy, shes not there yet) looks more like a 14 to me... ------------- |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 10:58am
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Follow this - to about 3/4 down the page - post 88 It does say its a 12 - possibly have had rack added, true its not a normal 12, espec with dat rig! haha ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 28 Mar 06 at 10:59am
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Follow this http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24070 - http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=240 70 - 4 got to add the link! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |