Calling all Javelin sailors
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Topic: Calling all Javelin sailors
Posted By: Javelin53
Subject: Calling all Javelin sailors
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 1:16pm
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------------- I hoped the threat would be enough! JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
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Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 2:22pm
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arrrr, i think im one of the only merlin sailors on here if that makes u feel better. i went to school in manchester with a guy called liam who sailed merlins. i saw him in the supermarket near my house when i was home for xmas. he said he was still sailing them. dont know if u would know him it was liam something begining with p anyhoo, just thought i would say that! |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 2:29pm
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I think we may be in a small group here I think I'm the only person who sails an albacore on here
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 7:16pm
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I think I the only cheruber who posts here...
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 7:17pm
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Oh. Hang on... ------------- |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 7:47pm
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Am I the only British Moth-ist? ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 8:28pm
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No-one else admits to sailing a Soslow.... ------------- |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 11:02am
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Rob, I used to and loved it. ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 11:09am
and you do have one of the coolest boat names about! so it kinda makes up for it 
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 11:19am
| I think I'm probably the only PlusPlus owner... |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 12:44pm
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ho ho... am i the only Byter I thought there used to be some but they've all gone away. ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 12:52pm
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Who was it with a Byte? Was it hydro, from southampton? Or was it you, sailor girl?! ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: Javelin53
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:14pm
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...I sail one, sometimes ------------- I hoped the threat would be enough! JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:27pm
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I'm just currently finishing the rebuild of British Moth 533 - as for slow, how about 49er V's British Moth, but the Moth chooses the venue?!
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:29pm
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Rupert if that was the challege then i would say that the british moth would choose a river therefore leaving the 49er with no hope of winning. Good Challenge ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Javelin53
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:29pm
never seen a british moth in action, what are they like to sail ------------- I hoped the threat would be enough! JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:31pm
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Good on smaill water thats about as far as my british moth knowledge goes ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Javelin53
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:32pm
thanks, every little helps ------------- I hoped the threat would be enough! JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:43pm
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Rupert my guess is the venue would be Chippenham and the 49er could be the new footbridge
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:44pm
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British Moths have a very tall Merlin Rocket style main sail, on a waterline length of about 9 feet. On small water there are few boats that can beat them on handicap (on open water almost everything can, so it balances out, sort of) and you have to try hard to beat a well sailed one on the water even if in a much larger boat. They are quick to tack, and the tall rig gets up above the trees. I'd back a Firefly against one (having learned to sail in a Firefly on a river) but not much else. I'll be sailing mine mostly on the lake at Whitefriars, which is going to be somewhat more challenging, but could be good on a light wind evening race. I was thinking of the river at Chippenham, where it is so shallow I was running the Firefly aground with 1/2 board down... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Javelin53
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:46pm
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being a river sailor this sounds like a great boat to me ------------- I hoped the threat would be enough! JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:48pm
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I would put my alb up against a british moth or firefly, as I sail on a river and the albs are hard to beat
------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Javelin53
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 1:50pm
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so, you aren,t the only british moth-ist ------------- I hoped the threat would be enough! JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:16pm
| I knew I was right. Olly no hope against Rupert hes good on rivers and small shifty lakes and in a B Moth the applecore would be lucky to finish ahead. |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:17pm
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Oooooooo you see thats almost like a challenge
------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:25pm
| Well dont let Rupert choose the venue. The river at chippenham the albacore wouldnt go 2 yards before needing to tack. |
Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:27pm
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olly is amazing on rivers, never mind small shifty lakes. his applecore is the fastest applecore i have ever seen! i would never challenge him on a river, not even in an old river type merlin. he is just too quick! u are a brave man rupert, very brave! |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:28pm
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Thats alright they tack quickly. Take a look at what i sail on:
------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:31pm
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ooh, i would be scared if i were u! no really. that is a skinny bit of river! |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:39pm
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I learn't to sail on the Great Ouse near Hunts and thats about the width of the river there. When I went to Uni I used to get thumped until in went light then..whey hey! oh and I don't think sailorgirl is a Byteist any more, mostly cause I think i now own her boat! Albercores are pretty good on rivers; mind you a paperdart or pipedream N12 is feriously quick inland. I feel a big river challenge is on. Roll up Roll up place your bets now, the contenders so far 1, British Moth 2, Albercore 3, Pre-1979 N12 ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:47pm
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I'm up for that. We could even hold it at my club, and as i'm in charge of the events at our club then we are away. As solos to that list we have about 7 that go out every week, 7 Albacores, 1 National (crusader variation) 1 merlin, and some knob in a mirror ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:52pm
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The problem the Albacore would have at Chippenham is that it is too shallow to put the board down, and the longer the board, the worse it gets! Agreed, the Alb is a great river boat - Dave Whittle is sailing his at Whitefriars at the Mo' - I believe he also sails at Tewkesbury? I'd love a race one day, Olly - Tewkesbury not too far away - happy to lose to you on your home waters! Better add a Firefly to that list - might have to find another Moth sailor - you up for it, Mark?! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 2:57pm
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I know dave or basher as he is known at our club. I'm always up for a race someone name the venue. Oh and the bit about losing on home waters well we will have to see wont we but lets just say I quite confirdent. ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:04pm
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lordy, its one big happy testosterone fest here! |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:09pm
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I think I should propose a neutral venue. Not quite a river but Shearwater has some monster windshifts etc. Oh and I will do OOD. could do with a laugh. |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:12pm
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No has to be a proper river Tewkesbury will hold it no problem we could do with the money to buy the club site ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:31pm
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Olly Applecores do really well at Shearwater. |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:39pm
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ok then. I would go to shearwater ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:49pm
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Shearwater is like a river with no current...I've sailed there (against Roger) a couple of times with the Classic and Vintage fleet (Is it 3 years now, Roger?) and once with the Comets. It lacks some of a river's more interesting quirks, though, like never going more than a boat length from the shore going upstream, and calling water for the cows. It does have the fishermen, though! Basher? Something to do with his sailing style? I've never sailed at Tewkesbury though, so would love to get there. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:52pm
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You could say that. Shal we say that my laser carried some scars from his tacking backwards (as in for about 40 seconds he is not looking where he is going) sketchy to say the least.
------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 3:57pm
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i've had to call water for a cow! on the thames. its real fun anyhoo, is it really a river if it doesnt have any stream? you have to have some stream surely. |
. it was one of my first times sailing on the river,confused me abit 
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:06pm
It does add to the interest, especially on windless winter days...I can remember times at Tamesis when it was a victory of sorts just to cross the start line. Absolutely ruined me for open water sailing. I find the 80 acres of lake at Whitefriars dauntingly large. River sailing ought to be an Olympic sport - after all, most of the venues chosen have a river running through them, but the normal sailing venue so far away as to be forgotten! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:12pm
mwahaha, i've been sailing alot at tammi! it isnt where i encountered my cow but i have learnt alot about river sailing from andy h and co. its a great liitle stretch of river they have 
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Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:22pm
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Rupert shearwater is a river its just got a 50 foot dam across it. yes it must be 3 years now. Maybe ill have to get a moth to join in this river thing. We had one here a year or so ago. Bandit handicap but then so has the applecore.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:27pm
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All it lacks is the current to sweep you over the dam... And I'm sure the Moth handicap is far better on Shearwater than the sliding seat Hornet! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:54pm
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NO NO NO its got to be a proper river with a current and weeds and fishermen and trees that over hang the river to catch larger rigged vessels sails, in fact it has to be as far from and olympic style venue as possible (china not included) ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 7:04pm
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I'm sure Bristol Avon would let us come for the day - it has a lovely willow tree specially designed to catch the unwary, especially as in certain wind directions the quickest way up the river is to brush your sails up against it! I think they hold a regatta each year - We have several members of BASC on this forum (mad enough to buy a Cherub, I believe) I'm sure they can help us! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Javelin53
Date Posted: 18 Mar 06 at 6:16pm
shouldn't enterprise be on that list somewhere, they are great inland boats ------------- I hoped the threat would be enough! JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 Mar 06 at 7:49pm
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I think with all the boats we are naming the nut on the tiller would decide the winner - I have a feeling that JimC's stats for helm/crew performance are muliplied greatly on the river, as the people at the back are sometimes lucky to be going forwards at all, meaning it is possible to lap someone when they are still in exactly the same place on the course! BTW, were there any other Javelin sailors on the forum, I've lost track? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 20 Mar 06 at 12:18pm
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I've remembered something about the firefly aswell. When it was designed it was based on a contempary N12 design and in fact other than being smooth bilged conformed to class rules. It was designed to be sailed where the river Ouse meets the Cam by Cambridge Uni SC and therfore had a slighlty shorter centreboard. So along with the British Moth and the Thames A rater class it has to be one of the few classes regularly sailed that was designed for sailing on rivers...unless anyone knows better? ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 20 Mar 06 at 4:33pm
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Id like to see a cherub on the Bristol Avon. Rupert last time I sailed there they had cut quite a few trees down. |
Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 21 Mar 06 at 10:07pm
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rivers!!!!
your all mad. you do know that right?
------------- ...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!...... |
meh!! Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Mar 06 at 10:32pm
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I'm guessing something from your name, here, offshore tiger, but I suspect most of your sailing is on salty water in things with keels? Not really the same sport at all, I agree. Personally, I found bumping up and down, being dragged out with a cry of "your watch" at 3am and the other delights of offshore sailing fairly insane too! I think we are probebly all touched in one way or another, or we would be playing bowls or watching football, or something! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 21 Mar 06 at 11:25pm
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yup, most of my sailing is on salt water but dinghys rather than leadmines, the name is more a work thing. It took me a while to get used to pond sailng, and i just cant get my head round the idea of sailing on anythind as small as some to that pictures mad im telling ya ------------- ...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!...... |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 8:50am
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Rupert, OT sails FDs and works on Oilrigs. Id still like to see a cherub at Bristol Avon. OT I can arrange a river trip for you but you may find a Moth a bit cramped after the FD. |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 9:13am
I thought she sailed Oil Rigs and worked on FDs  Just kidding ya OT....I wouldn't mess with an FD ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 9:26am
Certainly not with the OT / Jamie hot combo at the controls. I understand OT's new FD is going to be called "Crash Bandicoot" |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 9:57am
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An FD on the river would be a challenge...but an oil rig? Funny, I get all confused when I sail on anything larger than a small pond - actually having a decision to make about which side of the beat to go up, the 1/2 mile or more sail to the start line, just being able to spot a mark a mile away - it is difficult NOT to spot the marks on a river - just keep going till you get there. Do that on the sea and you can end up in Norway! I've promised myself I'd learn all about sea sailing, but it has yet to happen! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 12:26pm
I've never sailed there, but I have cruised round the Norfolk Broads in a Cherub on several occasions. Whilst you'd never save your time on handicap a short, light, fast accelerating, tall rigged boat is a suprisingly capable tool for, say, short tacking up the river Ant. |
Posted By: Javelin53
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 1:29pm
unfortunately none which I have discovered yet ------------- I hoped the threat would be enough! JAVELIN 53 ENTERPRISE 16691,RESTORATION JOB TOPPER 29388 BUCKENHAM SC |
Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 2:54pm
You just need a bigger river!! Sea sailing isnt to bad whre we are, the tide usaly drives if you go inshore or offshore up the beats. The waves can make life a bit intresting when they start hitting 2m or so and it can get kind of shifty when the wind comes over the land But its worth it for a 1 1/2 mile reach across the bay with some proper waves to surf ------------- ...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!...... |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 3:03pm
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OT puddles and ditches are great for honing your boat on boat skills but I have to admit there is nothing like an FD upwind. Can I have another go... please. |
Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 3:23pm
No worrys Rog. So youll be heading north some time then? ------------- ...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!...... |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 3:23pm
Ouch! I saw the remains of Alex's at Rutland....how much damage was there to the Jav (I think it was superficial)? ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 3:35pm
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No damage to the Jav at all. The hardest bit of them hit the softest bit of us. And theres no way we change the boats name, we had enough bad luck last year ------------- ...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!...... |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 3:41pm
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By North I take it you mean to Rutland. |
Posted By: Offshoretiger
Date Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 4:11pm
Yeah im sure we'll be that far South a couple of times this year ------------- ...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!...... |