MPS is pretty cheap to run as the 2nd hand boats hold their price so well.

With my first MPS that I brought 2nd hand I lost £100 over 18 months; sold it with the same sails I brought it with; that's pretty cheap sailing.

The only downside is that the cheapest you'll find and old boat for is around £5K; that is if you can find one ...

Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull Apparentely some 800s cost nearly 7k to run  so i was just wondering on a 49er?

I find that hard to believe, unless by "running cost" you include travelling/hotel costs to sunny Italian locations and lots of opens.

When I was running a 24 foot keelboat, it cost me around £6K a season but almost half of that was the dry-sailing fee. Keeping a dinghy in a club compound is a fraction of that.

If 7k is accounted for by boat depreciation I think a new thread should be started....... why is the rs 800 so poor at holding its value.

Course, that is fantasy.... it would be deleted before anyone read the thread.

So how do they work that out? What is this £50 going on?

£50 on 50 Sunday a year is still only a third (more or less) of the £7000 that was being suggested. 

Glad I Don’t sail a RS800 or a 49er etc if you put the fun per pound scale on the info so far that’s 2500 per year for the fun of sailing those boats, unless this includes all the expenses going to and from events and entry fees. I can’t see that worth while as my 300 cost’s me £350 tops a year and that includes a new sail every two years and say another £400 a year for events which would include my accommodation and transport costs. And I am still racing at the top end of the 300 fleet and my 300 cost less then that to buy in the first place. Just seems a bit daft unless your doing a Olympic campaign.   

This has prompted me to work it out and I came out at about £1000/year for a Laser 4000.  Its not new so depreciation is not high at £250.  Boat parking £80,  insurance £300, sails £300 and odd bits of string and blocks £100.  This is shared between 2 people.  I haven't included sailing clothing which must be in the region of £50-£100/year and club membership £100/year.

On my boat the sails are expensive and because we made a few claims insurance too, but even so the cost of doing a couple of races on a Sunday works about at about £15 each person - not bad for a high performance machine.  I also have an old Enterprise it costs about an additional £50/year to run it.

Well I think my boat appreciated - it seems to have happened to Radials, but in fact is irrelevant as I'm not going to sell it in the near future. However I have driven about so many miles this year all in the name of my sailing (lots of car running costs), had all my kit stolen (except the hull & spars)(boat insurance premium doubled), 3 car windows broken at an event as a consequence, I have to include this too, which makes my Radial sailing rather costly.

Then I also eat twice as much in the name of sailing that my food bill increases!

However no boat parking costs (car roofs make good boat parks), club membership is peanuts, & think I have won enough T-shirts this year I don't need clothes for a while!

So I guess how much one pays for sailing is related totally to how much sailing you do. As long as you don't do more than you can afford (I'm not a good example at this) just enjoy it!

PS Voiles et Voiliers (French sailing magazine) proposed that you spend 10% of the purchase price in a year. It seemed to work with Dad's 37footer, less so with a Radial.

I sail a 49er every week I bought it for £3750 (second hand ) and we replaced most of the rope because it had been sat around apart from that I have replaced one block !

I don't think that tallys up to £50 as sail yet !!

Unless something drastic happens in the next few months

I sail an 800, it doesnt cost as much as people are making out. Unless of course you have the odd mast breakage, or fall through the sail accidents happen, this of course is goin to bring an average of Costs up!

Smaller costs are going to go towards ropes or blocks, as of yet I dont think I have replaced any blocks, and only a few lenghts of rope. Tiller extensions aren't too kind though, went through a couple of them too, carbon at that.

Just reading back through that acutally, has got me thinking.......

Our fairly modest budget for the F-18 Worlds in Feburary 2007 Australia.  This does not include a trip to France for the 06 World Champs as it does not look financialy possible for us at the moment.

                                                                    2005                  2006

Capricorn F-18                                        $27,842

Trailer                                                          $  5,000

New Sails                                                   $  3,724           $  3,724

Boatyard Fees                                            $     370           $     265

Coaching                                                    $  5,000           $  4,000

Race Fees                                                  $     840           $     840

Travel Expenses                                       $  5,000           $  5,000

Maintenance                                               $  1,000           $  1,000

                                                                                                                            Total

Totals                                                         $48,766          $14,829          $63,595

AUS$, presumably? £1 = 2.36AUS$ 

What could you sell the boat and trailer for at the end? If it is a budget for a specific event, that really ought to be in the equation.

Doesn't work at all for a sportsboat on the Hamble.

I bought it for £16K and spent around £6K a year.

From experience, I am absoutely convinced that the 49er is a £50 per week habit. If you factor in sail wear and tear, rope, block and cleat replacement, the odd tiller extension, cans of dry lube etc etc.

I can't give up sailing the 49er so I have given up counting the cost!!!

Twice half its length!

The correct answer is for the running cost of a boat is "Twice as much as you are prepared to admit to yourself". And four times what you are preparerd to admit to your wife.

Sell the Capricorn for about $20,000 after the Worlds

$63,595 - $20,000 = $43,595 loss over 16 month period ie from October 2005 to Feb 2007

Take out the $9,000 price of coaching and that still leaves a $34,595 loss for an average local sailing campaign.

These are figures I have quoted on my sponsorship proposal and does not include breakages.

                                                                                2005                  2006

Capricorn F-18                                                   £11,776.80

Trailer                                                                 £  2,114.93

New Sails                                                                 £  1,576.37      £   1,576.37

Boatyard Fees                                                     £     156.62     £        112.19

Coaching                                                             £  2,114.93     £     1,693.15

Race Fees                                                           £     355.58      £       355.58

Travel Expenses                                                   £  2,114.93       £    2,114.93

Maintenance                                                        £     423.38      £       423.38

                                                                                                                            Total

Totals                                                               £ 20,652.31     £ 6,280.05    

Total - £ 26,927.21

Sale - £    8,471.70

Loss - £ 18,466.18

Looks reasonable. Good luck finding sponsorship!

That is the most stupid answer to the most well known simile I have heard all year. (a short year, I know, but you hear alot).

Twice half is the same, so its like saying, 'the length is the length.' Genial

And better still, in this case, the cost is the cost - which it most certainly is.

Missed the point I think, but never mind...............

Just pullin your leg Gary.  . . not trying to validate anything - Im just a sarci old fool exiled from blighty.

Thanks B no S. As I would say in Taiwan - Wo bu yao hua jia le ying hua hi you hun dor dong xi zor! Its a tough life.

yep

local Brigh'onian dialect

BnS

It may only be 2 degrees outside and a force 6, but with emaough layers on I managed to go sailing today....Yeah

Okay I needed to be rescued twice but that is not the point