Trapeze harness
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Topic: Trapeze harness
Posted By: provenjohn
Subject: Trapeze harness
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 12:29pm
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Can anyone suggest where to go for best price on a budget trapeze harness, use on Laser Stratos? Thanks |
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Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 12:32pm
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at www.ldcracingsailboats.co.uk they are sell the Gill Trapeze harness at £34.95 normally £70. Seems like a deal to me as it is a really good harness ------------- Cheers Dudes |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 12:45pm
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Try ebay. There is a well stocked 'shop' on ebay which I have used - in fact they have the same harness as LDC at a similar price so I guess it's being discontinued by Gill because it hasn't got a QR hook. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: provenjohn
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 1:07pm
Thanks for that, just ordered one from LDC, good price!
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 3:54pm
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Bit short sighted them reducing them because of no QR hook when you don't acutall;y need them until 2009 now when there will be an ISO standard I believe. I have a standard hook on mine with nothing across the 'gate'. I find the just falls out when the boat goes over. May be different on a cat though but I would be more worried about getting stuck under the trampoline in that instance (I believe it was an incident like that that started all this). Easier answer is to ensure that all safety boats carry knives for cutting rope and trmpolines and a good quality pair of rigging cutters for cutting rigging away of required. At my local club such wire cutters are standard equipment and have been for many years (never had to use them in anger). We don't allow cats on the lake (it is way to small) otherwise a knife would also be stabdard euipment. Just my 2p...as always ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 4:35pm
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dont know where you get that QRH bit from just looks like a sale to me. ------------- Cheers Dudes |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 5:12pm
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It's only a guess based on the fact that it's available in at least 2 different outlets at the same price and it doesn't (I beleive) have a QR hook. It's not a conspiracy just an observation. I think most manufacturers will be so far down the line of replacing their existing harnesses with QR ones that none QR harnesses will be soon hard to find. I don't think that's a bad thing as having QR hooks is on the whole a good idea. I'm sure ISAF will claim that was their intention all along rather than just a great big fudge. mmmm fudge. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 6:19pm
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Just visualise the pain of being on the trapeze in a breeze hacking downwind in the footstrap when the QR gives out in error. You fall in the drink as the boat capsizes and knackers your ankle ... I'd rather a conventional hook with a knife in my pocket any day ... Rick PS Perhaps we need a QR footstrap as well ?? ------------- |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 6:42pm
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I bought one of those Gill 5000 harnesses from LDC a little while ago (cos it was cheap more than anything else), only used it once but seems good. It doesn't have a QRH which I wanted at the time, but I had a look at the RWO hook at the boat show and the next one harness I buy will probably have one. The release is fairly stiff - not too stiff so it's hard to release but I don't see it happening accidentally. They've also got a hole so you can tie the hook to the harness with some thin cord, so you don't lose it when it's released. I still wouldn't sail without a knife tho!
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: Ian S
Date Posted: 25 Jan 06 at 12:31pm
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Rick, wouldn't the foot strap count as a trapezing or hiking device? in which case the ent toe straps and laser sailors hiking shorts should also fall under the rule :-) |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 25 Jan 06 at 12:38pm
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I'm thinking of buying a harness without QR hook (when everyone is selling them off cheap) and buying a Bethwaite ball system to fit to it. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 25 Jan 06 at 1:46pm
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I have seen and talked to someone who had the Bethwaite hook. It is great in principle but isn't as good as the good old hook in practice.
He said that it was much harder to locate, and wasn't as good for flat wiring. There is no point talkin about QRH harnesses till ISAF tell us what the rule is going to be, cause all the QRH systems at the moment could be illegal. ------------- Cheers Dudes |
Posted By: Dave389
Date Posted: 25 Jan 06 at 7:44pm
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It was the drowning of a Austrian olimpic tornado sailer that started the move for QR hooks the RWO and i think the MM QRH have been tested to distruction RWO managed to straighten the hook without the release pin giving in. I have the MM type as a retro fit to my old harness available from northamton sailboats. use it on a hurricane 5.9 and soon to be tornado sport Dave |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 8:05pm
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Does anyone else have experience of the Bethwaite ball-in-slot trapeze system (in the meantime)? I'm thinking that as well as being safer (I've known several people including myself to get hooked onto various bits of boat), it must be a lot kinder when scraped along the hull, e.g during capsizes. The 'slower to hook on' objection I've heard before, but I've also seen it refuted by someone who said you just needed time to adapt to it - most of us have spent considerable time adapting to the hook system, after all. |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 9:10pm
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Medway Maniac, My bro and his helm went for the Bethwaite system wen they moved into the RS800. They tryed to get on with it for around half a season, then got so fed up that they replaced it with the Magic Marine spreader bar, which they love. The main issue as you say, is with the location of the bal into the socket. It actually needed pushing/clicking into place whilst there was little or no pressure on the ball. This made wire to wire tacking very difficult as the ball would often seem like it was clicked in, then 10 seconds or so after having weight on them they would slip out, and sploosh! So in a Skiffy type boat where wire to wire is essential, they were deffinatly not ideal. I personally have a RWO quick release on my harness, it seems just as reliable as a normal hook, However i carry a knife just incase. I have also used the MM quick release which seemed very good also. ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 10:41pm
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I have the Gill harness that is going cheap from LDC. Am I wearing it wrong? On the Contender its ok (but not exactly armchair like), but when I sailed the 18 I was sure that it was definitely reducing my chances of having kids (the harness, not the boat). I'm assuming that the difference is from the stance you take when trapezing (ie Contender, feet together usually fairly high on the wire due to low freeboard, 18 footer flat wiring with legs apart). Can anyone who's got this harness give me some "fitting tips"? ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: Skiffman
Date Posted: 29 Oct 06 at 11:15pm
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It could be your harness, if you get a made to measure harness like P&B or just find one that fits well then it should not hurt at all. I had a gill harness that I used that was quite painful, but now I have made to measure that does not hurt. Does anyone on this forum use a heavy harness when it is windy? \in the 49er most of the teams have 2 harness's. By heavy harness i mean 2-3kg but it still floats so it is legal. ------------- 49er GBR5 http://www.teamfletcherandsign.co.uk - teamfletcherandsign.co.uk Team Fletcher and Sign campaign site |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 29 Oct 06 at 11:44pm
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When I worked for Ovington I tried the Bethwaite harness on my musto skiff fund it hard to clip on with and it came out when I was wiring low ending in me having two short tillers extensions rather than one long one not ideal!!! Dil (skiffman) not sure about people using 2 harness but sure it is done. I guess they use the RMW harness a heavy one? Mine weighs about 2kg I think never weighed it though. ------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 31 Oct 06 at 7:16pm
Wombat I've got that harness too and had the same problems - less than ideal on the 49er  I'm going to replace it but trying to decide what with - tried a mate's custom in Minorca and it was great (even tho it wasn't made for me), but on the other hand I tend to wear a drysuit in the winter which won't work too well with the whole custom fitting idea... on top of that a friend can get me a good discount on strappy harnesses if I wait till Christmas!
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 01 Nov 06 at 12:22am
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Certainly not ideal Curlyben... Think if I'm doing any more 18 sailing
I'll have to sort myself out with a proper harness, it really did ruin
the experience! There really is nothing worse than trying to
sheet 80 sq/m of kite whilst worrying about future family
prospects...
------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: k_kirk
Date Posted: 05 Nov 06 at 2:38am
Well, you can always do like I did. Have as many kids as you want as soon as possible so this concern becomes a non-concern!  He Heh.
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