Bluewave
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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
URL: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13910
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Topic: Bluewave
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: Bluewave
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 3:15pm
I'm sat here just wondering, how it is that after what, over ten years at least I've been trawling these pages and nobody has ever mentioned them...
And they do a natty fast pin with velcro securing strap.. You'd have thought, somebody might have pointed them out, all my years of ranting at the crap y'all use those chain plates and pins all different dimensions. I only picked up on because of a conversation on the Contender site somebody asking if they're legal ffs you can imagine what the reply is probably going to be.. Just another example of what might have been had we had that magazine and writers that were actually ineterested in what we do and want to do, instead of what we used to do.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 3:27pm
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Presumably the benefit of " https://youtu.be/6WdDRYgfubg" rel="nofollow - stuff I've got going on here " is the simplification of the concept ... so why would I want three heavy, over engineered and expensive devices, where a clevis pin and split ring will do? ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 4:36pm
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Nicely engineered and would good on a keel boat or a small yacht . But as davidyacht pointed out , totally over engineered and unnecessary for a a light dinghy . Should be perfect for a contender though  ------------- |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 4:51pm
| I'm guessing they are asking for lowers. I think there may be something in the rules about not being allowed to adjust lowers on the water, could be wrong. I suppose if so the purpose is to avoid the possibility of increasing complication of the rig. |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 6:05pm
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Musto Skiff allowed them last time i looked, if you'd stuck it out with the class you would've come across them years ago. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 6:07pm
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Looks a real finger pincher on a cold day. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 7:30pm
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Bluewave turnbuckles are a great piece of kit. Use them on the 29er and they allow dynamic rig tension change on the water.
Never pinched or known anyone pinch a finger. As for over engineered…..I’ve never known one break! |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 7:45pm
You should go and touch a piece of wood you know fully well now you have said 'THAT' you are going to  ------------- Robert |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 8:07pm
Don't get this, why wouldn't you? I think it's called progress, shall I spell it for you? Or has your automobile still got the crank handle at the front to start it up? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 8:09pm
Yes I think the guy in question was breaking a 29er and wanted to use them, to me the fact he has to ask speaks volumes of the class I've now entered in a 'lost land of the dinosaurs' sort of way, I can't see it lasting. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 8:11pm
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https://jimmygreen.com/bluewave-quick-race-tuning-turnbuckles/77963-bluewave-quick-tune-rigging-screw-toggle-and-swage Perhaps the price puts people off. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 8:13pm
I get that, same as if I'd sailed a 29er, but how come they haven't crossed class divides? Am I the only person that thinks this is strange? When I say strange, I'm thinking Midwich cuckoos strange. The longer you engage in this world the weirder it gets.  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 9:44pm
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If you are bored or sad, spend the evening working through the Pinnel and Bax website, or a Harken Catalogue or the Technical Marine Supplies website … lots of interesting gear and potential solutions, you don’t need to have a magazine to lead you there. Have a look at what the leading proponents in you class are doing. Boat bimbling is an important part of the activity … however experience suggests that opting for clevis pins or a fancy turnbuckle are well along the diminishing returns curve … and being able to adjust your standing rigging is all very well provided you know what needs to be achieved ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 10:46pm
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'Turnbuckles' (the American expression) AKA (in the UK) 'bottlescrews' have been around in the dinghy world since the'50's to my certain knowledge. The fact is that modern 'vernier'* shroud adjusters are more than sufficiently adjustable for any rig and are much (very much) lighter and cheaper than 'turnbuckles'. Sure they are a less convenient to adjust on the water** but how often do you need to do that?.. * They're not... ** The 49er guys manage to adjust the shrouds on the water with a simple 'boat breaker'*** and the trap wire. *** A block and tackle and the means off attaching it to the shroud plates/eyes/u-bolts.
------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 18 Mar 22 at 10:51pm
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The forum software is broken, it ignores line breaks and bu99ers up the formatting... ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 7:17am
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iGRF I fail to see the reason for the excitement. It still need a clevis pin at each end which apparently you find an anachronism from the early 20th century . Staymasters do the same job for little more than half the money. Although I applaud your enthusiasm for innovation I find your philosophy confusing. On the one hand you detest the complication of dinghy rigging yet you seem to tend towards devising complicated solutions to problems which others do not even see as problems.
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 8:14am
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Add unstayed rig to the list ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 8:58am
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At least with unstayed rig, he can let the boom go right forward, presuming that's what he wants from space age rigging? Trade off being bendy mast, perhaps designers could concentrate their efforts on a mast that doesn't need standing rigging. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 10:31am
What like the literally hundreds of thousands of unstayed windsurfing masts that support sail sizes well up to the same levels as racing dinghys, then there was the D 1 of course, probably another PYAG victim, certainly a victim here, just like the Pornstar will be.. Oh and you're quite correct in my thinking of an unstayed mast preference, but that was before my foray into trapeze sailing, so strike a trapeze off the list and stays really become irrelevant unless you wish to employ some ridiculously oversize spinnaker. But my current thinking is how to have another bash at that Fireblade/Hybrid and see if I can't devise some method of flying a symmetric spinnaker single handed (thinking maybe a dangly pole), now that would be cool on the lake, bye bye Lasers downwind. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 11:00am
Because my dinghy park must be littered with split rings and or clevis pins, those tunrbuckles can be connected with a conventional nut and bolt, or shackle, whereas chain plates (the work of satan) seem to defy reason when it comes to attachment. Do you not need to adjust your rig on the water? Or even just before launching? The metal detectorists have a field day down at ours finding dropped clevis pins in the shingle.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 11:43am
in which case your best bet would be a twin pole system as used by Merlins and 505s
------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 12:02pm
| IGrf . Yes before and sometimes between races, mostly by the power of dyneema, excess iron is so 20th century. |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 12:13pm
Prized from my cold dead hands, because hell will have frozen over... ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 5:45pm
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What about a self furling kite, bowsprit self retracting, sheet it similar to a jib, pull the sheet to the side you want, wind will do the rest. Uncleat when you have finished with it, furler needs to be strong enough to rewind. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 6:14pm
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Have wondered about a single hander with wings and a self tacking jib that you could pole out with a dangly pole, sort of skinny Hadron with wings, increased efficiency with the jib, that could sail dead down wind, more suited to restricted water sailing than an assymetric and less likely to land you in trouble than a spinnaker. Jib could be transparent mylar for best visibility. ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 19 Mar 22 at 6:52pm
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Yes, that would work, big jib like the GP14. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Old bloke
Date Posted: 20 Mar 22 at 6:16am
| K1, with wings and without the keel |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 20 Mar 22 at 10:44am
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Troubles with a furling kite will be windage upwind, and judging by jibs, failure to furl properly, but yes, it does sound easier than dropping it over the bow. Seeing it Code Zero style.
Symmetric kite with a pole with an angle on it at the mast, that goes to both corners, sheet and guy. To gybe, you do nothing but adjust the sheets to a new setting. OK not worked out whether you'd need to be able to change the angle at the mast, or how to store it, but maybe I should experiment on the Mirror. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20 Mar 22 at 3:55pm
| Can’t it be semi-furled and used as a jib upwind, then pull a string to extend the pole and unfurl the rest for downwind… |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Mar 22 at 5:16pm
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Had in mind, twin dangly poles to both feet and was considering a battened head, the issue is with or without forestay, which would impact the delivery/recoveery system. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 20 Mar 22 at 6:12pm
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If you want something similar to Rupert and A2Z, you will have a forestay in the furling mechanism, you can still have it adjustable. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: The Q
Date Posted: 21 Mar 22 at 8:26am
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Me I wouldn't use an expensive thing like that bottle screw.. I use String.. As do many keelboats on the Norfolk Boards. Tacking on the rivers you don't have time to do adjustments to the shrouds during the races, unless you fit a block and tacky beneath each shroud, and then you'd have to be sure your jammers are failsafe.... So this year it's about 5 turns of 2mm Dyneema round the U bolt which is the stay plate and also through the rigging Eye. I'll inspect the string regularly and change it if required. ------------- Still sailing in circles |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Mar 22 at 9:00am
Well I guess when all your doing is hauling sugar beet up the Yare there's no real need. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: The Q
Date Posted: 21 Mar 22 at 11:36am
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Darn thar on the Yar, by Cantley you be a getin too close to the dark side of Suffuk for me Bor.. ------------- Still sailing in circles |
Posted By: Mozzy
Date Posted: 21 Mar 22 at 12:22pm
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Bluewave turnbuckles have three (maybe 4?) advantages over a Vernier chain plate 1) More precise 2) Can be adjusted under tension with no additional tools 3) Can be adjusted without removing a shroud pin (safer on water) 4) Harder to accidently remove (never actually had this happen to be) A two row Vernier is enough precision on shrouds and caps for me. But a bottle screw would be nice on lowers where smaller adjustments make greater changes to tension. However, this could be achieved with a regular bottle screw. 2 and 3 are only really plus points if you want to be changing settings between races. Good when I was sailing 29ers and 49er and we'd have 4/5 race days with 10 hours on the water. But in amateur stuff with 2/3 race days and 3/4 hour days I am happy to set and forget. Point 4 I am not sure is a point. So overall they are a lot of extra expense for not much benefit. I would like bottle screws for lowers though, but a cheap set without in built spammers would suffice.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Mar 22 at 8:42am
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Built in spammers?! You got igrf aboard? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 Mar 22 at 9:51am
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What a nightmare probably moans from the second he steps aboard, can't imagine what he would say if you tipped him in ------------- Robert |