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RS400 Initial Training

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Topic: RS400 Initial Training
Posted By: Wes
Subject: RS400 Initial Training
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 12:14pm

I have recently bought an RS400 as a first ever dinghy. I'm very inexperianced in sailing anything other than windsurf boards, and my crew is not much better either, coming down from large yachts. I'm worried that I'm going to cause some serious injury to either one of us, or to other water users and really don't want to do so.

So, I'm looking for some instruction. I'm prepared to pay, and want to get on with it ASAP. A couple of full days would (I think) get me pretty competent at handling safely. So What does anyone suggest? I'm based in Bath, so there is my local club, Chew, but there is a waiting list to join the waiting list (no joke, there really is!) or there is pretty much anywhere between Weymouth and Portsmouth on the south coast. Weymouth is the obvious place, but there will be no instuctors back until late spring, and I really don't want to wait that long.

Anyone who owns sa 400 and wants to earn some money at the weekend, then I'm sure we could come to an arrangement!!




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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 12:37pm
Top priority is to join the class association. They run training events and can also put you in contyact with likely people such as RYA approved Class coaches, who would be ideal...


Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 12:42pm

Join the RS class asscoiation and they will be able to put in touch with one of the 40 odd coaches that they have trained up. Usually the association prefer to teach in groups as the learning scope of all attending increases but I'm sure they will point you in the right direction. They have on-line boat coaching including tacking, Gybing, windward and leeward mark rounding plus boat set up. You can play these over abe over again to study what yo bother should be doing.

Failing that ask the RYA of instructors in your area and pay one of them for a weekend of coaching to get you started on the basics.  Did you not think of doing a basic dinghy course prior to the capital outlay? A course won't have to be on a 400. Any boat will do as the principles are the same, the 400 will just be a bit quicker and more sensitve to boat trim. Then later on do some training on the 400 to hone the techniques that are 400 specific. 

Have fun



Posted By: Wes
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 1:02pm

Yep, did the RYA level 1/2 course, but that was in October and feels like quite some time ago,. I have been unable to get into another dinghy since then, and for someone of my age (29, so past the youth squads by quite some way!) and with no contacts in sailing its almost impossible to get someone to simply go out for the day so I can be sure I can handle the boat without risking life and limb. Rigging it is fine, tuning I obviously have no idea. The local RYA centres have closed down their training until late spring (Weymouth being a prime example) and most of the instructors seem to have gone abroad for the winter (who can blame them!!) so unless I wait until spring, I'm a bit stuck.

Personally I would happily just launch and carve my way through any fleet that happened to be out at Weymouth on the day, but with the crew being my other half, and in posession of the sanity chip, I've been told I should probably make sure I can sail safely first…...



Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 1:04pm

Originally posted by Wes

there will be no instuctors back until late spring, and I really don't want to wait that long.

On the other hand, the water will be warmer by spring, and maybe those centres are closed for a reason. If your other half is less committed than you are, you might put them off for good trying to learn at this time of water, with the swimming sessions this is likely to involve. Maybe best to keep it fun at a warmer time of year. Just a thought. 



Posted By: Wes
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 1:13pm

Well, I'm still happily windsurfing and on the south coast, I honestly believe the water never gets too cold. As long as the air temp is above 8c, its normally fine. With sailing I expect to be able to go a little colder as I can actually wear hat, gloves and boots! The other half has all the equipment (drysuit, thermals etc) and has spent enough time on yachts to know how cold it can be.

So water temp won't put us off, just he lack of instructors!!



Posted By: MainlySwimming
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 1:21pm

Unless you both have a very good sense of humour, and decent dryuits...I'd wait. The 400 isn't the hardest boat to sail, but if you're learning then a swim is more than likely, and in the winter that can rapidly turn unpleasant.

Probably the best next step would be to get some high performance sailing DVDs so you can get your head around asymmetric sailing (did you do that on your course?) and then take yourselves off to Menorca sailing as soon as they open in May and get some quality instruction in warmer waters...they have 400s there.



Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 1:22pm

Not a lot of yachting this time of year either, come to that. Because it is cold, damp and miserable.

By the way, I used to sail with my wife. Note the tense. My advice, keep it fun.

 



Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 1:35pm
You can awlays leave your wife at home and crew for someone with a 400 if your keen over the winter. You'd learn loads and the when the spring arrives you would have built up a good knowledge base of the boat!


Posted By: Wes
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 1:49pm

Now that's a bloody good idea. I'll post on the RS400 newsgroup and see what i can do.

Other than that, it seems I'm mad to try to get into sailing until the spring....?

Guess windsurfing will have to do until then.



Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 4:45pm
Hi Wes,

We did the same as you guys! we went from level 1/2 to buying a 400 as our first ever boat, and she has been great fun. Some said "novices in a 400- don't even go there" but we did anyway and it has been a great year. Still have much to learn, which is good as we wanted a boat to grow into and not out of!
I suffer badly in the cold so we will be summer'ish sailors mainly.
I wish you happy days in your 400, please keep us posted with your progress.



Posted By: iansmithofotley
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 8:31pm

Hi Wes,

If you are wanting some professional coaching then you could get in touch with Jon Emmett:

http://www.jonemmettsailing.co.uk/ - http://www.jonemmettsailing.co.uk/

I am sure that he could help with 'one to one' coaching. Also, he is based in the south (East Grinstead) albeit it is quite a distance from where you are in Bath. I hope that this helps.

Ian   (Yorkshire Dales S.C.)



Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 8:41pm

Wes,  I sail at Chew and can offer you some teaching down at Chew, might have to speak to the Principal Instructor first, but im sure you can come down and sail as a guest if not.I can teach up to sailing with spinnakers with my principals authority but otherwise just the basics. PM me if your interested and i'll see what i can do.



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Chew Valley Sailing club
Bristol


Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 14 Jan 06 at 8:50pm
If you want to pop down to HISC some time, PM me. I am a lapsed instructor and fairly experienced though not an expert at assymetrics. There is the HEWL (see HISC website) or I work shifts and am available at odd times. I do enjoy teaching and loved the 400 when I sailed one, so long as you don't expect me to tell you how to win in one! If you want to know how to get round the course, I can help, if you want to win, the class assoc has coaches....

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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 15 Jan 06 at 10:37am
shame your so far away as id have offered to give you some instruction...

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Posted By: Living in a box
Date Posted: 23 Feb 06 at 1:48pm
Wes,

Don't know of you're still looking for some 400 sailing but Bristol Corinthian YC has a a few good 400 sailors - Tom Halhead (class rep and RS coach), Paul Hillier, Pete Vincent (RS Association Chairman, RS coach), Ian Pickard (an excellent 200 sailor and RS Coach)... You can get in touch with these guys through the RS Association website - www.rs-association.com


Posted By: Wes
Date Posted: 24 Feb 06 at 11:04am

Yep - started to meet those guys now. I've joined BCYC, went for my first sail there last Saturday (who needs wind!!) and hoping to get out again this weekend.

Cheers for the heads up tho.




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