RS700
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: RS700
Posted By: Iain C
Subject: RS700
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 9:50am
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Had a go in one yesterday...very impressed! Though it was really quick downwind, until I went upwind, and realised it was just really quick whatever. Managed to get stuck in irons coming out of a gybe (yep, a gybe!). I'm guessing that to start with racing these is just simply a matter of NOT SWIMMING...took me ages to get it back up again! Nice boat and respect to anyone who can sail it well.  ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
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Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 10:04am
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Hi Iain, Glad you enjoyed it. I was amazed when I got into irons on a dead run as well - normally caused because you lost too much speed during the gybe and lost the apparent wind stalling out all of the sails - dumping the kite and getting the main working is the quickest way to get going again.. Similarly there's techniques to speed up the recovery - dump kicker and main, you only need to partially drop the kite - use the Assy sheets to get more leverage etc.... You are always close to the edge sailing these high performance boats, but then that's part of the challenge. The big grin bit's in between more than make up for it Where were you sailing? Ian RS700 GBR912 |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 10:37am
Erm...I did'nt even have the kite up at the time!! I was sailing at Draycote, it was a nice day for it, if a little cold! ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 09 Jan 06 at 7:47pm
| Great racing at Bough Beech yesterday. 3 or 4 700s and 2 MPS, not to mention at least 2 800s. I was the mug on the power boat organising it - damn cold. |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 10 Jan 06 at 8:54pm
I think the 700 looks gr8. Although am weirdly drawn to the MPS. Mainly because some scalliwag has said i could have a go! But they do fly and with someone at the helm such as Mr Andy Peake (former inlands champ) there is no stopping them! ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 10 Jan 06 at 8:59pm
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2004 Inlands at Grafham - yes, I remember them well....
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Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 10 Jan 06 at 9:04pm
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i must say if i was going to get a 700 or the mps it would be the 700 every time
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Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 10 Jan 06 at 10:13pm
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indeed hence, this year I am hoping to leave the int14s and start racing a
700!  ------------- Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices! Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs' The New Port rule!!. |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 10 Jan 06 at 10:51pm
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luky you i will at the end of the year i think ------------- |
Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 10 Jan 06 at 11:23pm
| Once I leave uni and get a job, I know where my first paycheck will be going! |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 3:17am
| That's some job you're going to get if a 700 will come out of one pay cheque... |
Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 9:20am
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Fortunately there's a steady stream of second hand boats which keeps the second hand prices reasonable for newcomers to the class. Still a very good job if you can cover £4K in one hit though Ian RS700 GBR912 |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 9:39am
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yer what are you hoping to do i think i may have to change what im doing after school if its that good ------------- |
Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 11:03am
ok, so maybe my second as well. Probably into the third too. Still, I'll get there in the end! |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 11:04am
ow you just dashed my dreams a new boat evey pay cheek   ------------- |
Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 11:13am
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Well you never know, but as I'm currently both jobless and boatless all I can do is dream
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Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 12:36pm
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lol well that your falt them theres one thing il say to you GET A JOB ------------- |
Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 1:05pm
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Heh, I'm trying, just got to finish my degree first! Anyway the 700 looks a great bit of kit, my only concern (besides my inability to afford one atm) about it is how well it performs to it's PY. 857 is a pretty low number, especially considering the MPS is 875 and some recon it to be the faster of the two? |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 1:07pm
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iv heard that the mps is faster on the water from the tide ride so i think tha handy cap is a bit unfaid in that resect but they still do well at my club ------------- |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 5:18pm
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Would of thought the 700s handicap is lower because there are more of them so the RYA get more of them on their club returns each year meaning they have a lower PY compared to the MPS where the numbers are pretty small in comparison so intern has a higher handicap because of returns etc.
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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 5:21pm
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I dont think there are that many more 700's the biggest thing is that alot of them wont sail in handicap racing that much and therefore the PY wont have moved much from the one that the manufacturer suggested. ------------- 
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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 5:35pm
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Good point never considered that!
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 5:39pm
| The RYA don't pay any attention to manufacturer supplied PYs but only use data from the clubs. However if the clubs are just using the manufacturer one then... |
Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 8:11pm
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There's actually about twice as many 700's in the UK than MPS's(~160 vs ~80-90 according to Rick when I last asked). However I think your point is valid about either class not doing that much handicap racing. I would trust the 700 figure more than the MPS simply based on weight of numbers. Out of interest Grafham seem to be using 862 for the RS700 this year whereas at Hayling Island they've been sailing off 820 for some time! Ian RS700 GBR912 |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 8:49pm
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wondered why we can't beat Peter in his 700 ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 11 Jan 06 at 10:08pm
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Also PY's are going to be of an Average Sailor sailing the boat because clubs returns may have people varying in standard. Therefore if someone is good at sailing the boat (above average then obviously they are sailing faster than there PY). My point is that the PY isnt based on the fastest the boat can be sailed more the average it was sailed.
Another thing is if in a race someone is sailing averagely and everyone else has a dog of a day this can make there achived handicap look lower than it realisticly is as PY's are all relative to the boats you are racing against. -------------
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Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 12 Jan 06 at 2:42pm
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There's actually about twice as many 700's in the UK than MPS's(~160 vs ~80-90 according to Rick when I last asked). However I think your point is valid about either class not doing that much handicap racing. I would trust the 700 figure more than the MPS simply based on weight of numbers. [/QUOTE] There are 170 MPS listed on the Musto skiff web site proberbly more sold since last updated I guess there are simular numbers of each class. I have done quite alot of handicap racing in my MPS, B&F Eskimo,Hoofreezer,Tiger Trophy,Top Club,Lord Birket trophy,Weston Grand Slam,Scottish Skiffs,Scottich CofC, and lots of club racing at Rutland.I find the MPS handicap fair compared to other assermetric boats. ie 29er will win in the breeze and 49er in medium, 4000 light and B14s around equal but we have a slight edge. I think the RS700 handicap should be around the same as the MPS as at the Holt Tide Ride. Both boats are great fun to sail which is all that matters.
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Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 12 Jan 06 at 3:38pm
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Hi Sten, Sorry, I wan't trying to spread confusion with the numbers. If you're talking total numbers then it's about 170 MPS vs 260 RS700. Rick told me there were about 80 MPS's in the UK and I assumed there would be about another 10 built since then. I also know we have about 160 RS700's. I totally agree that they're both great boats and loads of fun to sail. I wish I'd leapt out of my Laser years earlier..... Ian RS700 GBR 912 |
Posted By: allanorton
Date Posted: 12 Jan 06 at 8:47pm
I think there's about 218 MPS's regisetred on their web site, so it's probably 225MPS vs 260RS700. |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 12 Jan 06 at 9:18pm
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Re the handicap, Hayling weigh the numers of fast boats upwards, and slow boats down I believe, basically cos fast ones go better in the tidal conditions, so "Hayling" numbers are only relevant in club races there! I think it's a couple of % ------------- |
Posted By: Ian29937
Date Posted: 12 Jan 06 at 10:25pm
But the MPS's miss out the first 50 numbers, I believe for use in regatta's. Check out the entries on the list. Ian |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 6:36pm
Ian is correct on the above - I think the latest sail number is now 225 but the web is struggling to keep up ... Given the results of the Tide RIde I'd suggest that one or both of the boats have an inaccurate PY number. The problem of basing numbers on returns is that the average MPS/700 sailor will have a swim in a race. Then when a good guy gets in they sail with no swims and do well. This is the same for any boat in which the average sailor may have a swim e.g. 49er & I14. This is one reason why these classes are a good choice for a handicap bandit. But anyone who gets excited about handicap racing is missing the point - it's just for fun really. regards, Rick ------------- |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 6:48pm
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Just have to say that on Saturday. I managed to get a sail in an mps. It was the best sailing ive ever had and some of the hardest physically and skill wise. The boat was amazing and was so responsive in the varying winds of BBSC. Obviously i went swiiming but I was always keen to get going again. The only reason i gave the boat back was because Mr Ashby wanted to go home . Truly an awesome bit of kit and big respect to the people who can sail them well.When i am older (and better) i will without any hesitation buy an MPS. Alex ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |