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Club series discards

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Topic: Club series discards

Posted By: GG NHRC
Subject: Club series discards
Date Posted: 26 Aug 18 at 8:40pm

Conversation cane up today on whether we should have more discards in a ten race club series?

To make the basis of the two sides simple consider that

1). More discards rewards the talented sailors that can’t make every race.

2). Less discards rewards the club members who make it out every race.

In a ten race series of races, how many races should count and what’s your thinking?

Replies:

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Aug 18 at 9:08pm

I think it depends on the club. What number/percentage of your competitors complete 4 races, 5 races, 6 races 7 races etc? Look at past results and see how many people get how many races in. With those number in front of you I imagine you'll be left with only two or maybe three choices that aren't patently ridiculous.
Note there's always an advantage in doing as many races as you can, because you can start discarding results in conditions that didn't suit you.

Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 26 Aug 18 at 9:31pm

I think most people at club level sail a race for the sake of that race.

On the day, the series is not very important, for a series over 5 or 10 weeks.

I would suggest 4 discard out of 10 races. Few people can make every race, so that's typically 1 or 2 actual discards and 2 or 3 no-shows.

Not every series needs to be the same.

Posted By: ClubRacer
Date Posted: 26 Aug 18 at 10:56pm

We run half plus one to count for anything over 2 weekends long and a single discard for anything else over 4 races

so the discard profile would look like this, or if you use sailwave its s/2+1

0,0,0,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5....

our series are typically 18~ races long and are competitive until the end

Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 8:26am

Cheers there are a few interesting ideas there.

Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 8:30am

so the discard profile would look like this, or if you use sailwave its s/2+1

0,0,0,1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5....

Same as we use. I think most people in the fleet are happy with it. I've never heard complaints. Our main series is 30-32 races spread over the whole season, so you need plenty of discards, but going any higher becomes silly. We have a small group who manage half or more of the races and who race for the series, but as said earlier, there are a lot of crews who are more interested in the results on a single race basis.

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Peter
Ex Cont 707
Ex Laser 189635
DY 59

Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 8:40am

Hi Peter

How come your club choose to race a season long series rather than a split seasonal multi series season?

Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 9:28am

I guess equal points concessions could favour the sailor who raced more often at the club.

Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 11:45am

We have 3 split seasonal weekend series, but one big series for the weekday evenings. It seems to work, and people are generally happy with it.

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Peter
Ex Cont 707
Ex Laser 189635
DY 59

Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 27 Aug 18 at 11:56am

We have growth fleets that are looking for class racing as a series despite starting in mixed handicap for Aeros, Merlin Tockets and possibly soon Solos too. They are trialling the merlinandaero league scoresheet this season for the Wednesday series.