The price of foils in perspective
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Topic: The price of foils in perspective
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: The price of foils in perspective
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 2:48pm
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Just to confirm y'all or should I say we all are being ripped off in this market.
Check the price of foils for kite, wake, surf and SUP now thanks to the supreme generosity and philanthropy of some companies.. https://www.corekite.co.uk/kitefoils-17-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Kite/Wake/Surf/SUPfoils ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 3:00pm
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By Comparison https://www.sailboats.co.uk/glide-free-foiling-laser" rel="nofollow - A Laser set up
Now there's obviously a bit more going on, but nearly ten times the cost? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 5:58pm
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Nice pimping, but on a serious note, well done for getting that price point down to realistic levels.
So, does it fit a power box? |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 8:20pm
They're working on a Tuttle and or powerbox fitting to launch in the fall. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 9:06pm
| Nice! |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Jun 18 at 9:09pm
How do foils work on a SUP ? I have never seen them go faster than walking speed, excuse my ignorance 
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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 22 Jun 18 at 6:05am
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Downwind in waves mate
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Posted By: Mark Aged 42
Date Posted: 22 Jun 18 at 7:48am
In the FALL???? Autumn please Grumpf, we have not become a US state after Brexit just yet.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 Jun 18 at 8:09am
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TT,
Never seen one surf, down Cornwall a lot, will have to have a better look, sounds dangerous though, wipe-out with blades on the bottom, ouch, and bathers. Seems to me designers are trying to kill or maim someone (not deliberately obviously) just to see who can be first in production, going to end in tears, foils on kite surfers, SUP and other close in shore gear will be banned, they will kill the goose that laid the golden egg. We have been 51st state since US got independence
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Posted By: DiscoBall
Date Posted: 26 Jun 18 at 10:39am
| I think the SUP foiling is mor |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 26 Jun 18 at 8:59pm
------------- " rel="nofollow - http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk Andy P foiling Int Moth GBR3467 Freedom 21 Codling |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 9:40am
| [QUOTE=DiscoBall]I think the |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 9:45am
So the best part of five grand for a centreboard and rudder!!! My whole boat cost about that. ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 10:06am
| + 20% VAT.... although I guess if you run your sailing as a private consulting business for an AC team, then that's reclaimable. |
Posted By: Hitcher
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 11:00am
| ...how long is the waiting list to buy your boat? Because those foils might be expensive, but they sell faster than they can build them. |
Posted By: chris_wht
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 11:36am
but i doubt you could build a comparable set in your shed any cheaper (taking your time into account of course) ------------- |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 11:48am
ex VAT pricing FFS! Awful practice. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 12:03pm
depends on the client base.... I would have thought the top of the moth fleet are pro sailors, as such this is a B2B transaction.... and not really designed for screen-shots for a punter-level web forum. I think we are comparing F1 level components with stuff you'd find at the karting track or doing doughnuts in Tesco car park- my own car costs less than a steering wheel:  |
Posted By: Hengest
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 12:10pm
Presumably as they're considered EXTRAs you don't have to have them
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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 12:19pm
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presumably this is an extra for those who already have a serviceable platform to put them on? I would imagine the complete boat price is somewhere else in the document???
I dunno - there's a guy making a totally mind-blowing product, at a price point that should inspire future generations of entrepreneurs and fabricators to look at dinghy racing for a career path. It's applied into a niche market at the pinnacle of the sport and will have naff all effect of the club competitiveness of a 15 year old Laser ... yet we seem to knock it because we either can't afford it, are probably not good enough to even use it or simply don't sail in the circles that would make that sort of competitive advantage pay. Good luck to him I say....
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 12:22pm
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£23040 inc VAT ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 12:37pm
Would hazard a guess at the 100+ exocets sold that less than 50% would be to B2B customers (could be wrong of course) , otherwise there must be some creative accountancy going on with a lot of the Corinthian jocks. Unless your are purely B2B there really is no need to display on a public site just the ex VAT price. Its an old fashioned practice that should be stopped if you are selling to the public too. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 12:51pm
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I tend to agree with your point of view - it's not good practice to advertise pricing ex-sales tax. It really pisses me off in the US when the price you pay isn't the price on the ticket. But I'd imagine that creative accountancy is very much part of the semi-pro / pro sailing playbook... so I can understand it more in this specific circumstance. That said, I have no idea at all about the split between pro/semi-pro and genuine punter sales of this boat.
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 1:01pm
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sorry got the VAT between the teeth! ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 1:43pm
AFAIK sales tax in the US varies from state to state and if you buy in one state but live in another that confuses the issue even further. All this makes it very difficult to show tax inclusive pricing. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 2:27pm
this is true - hence why a number of online businesses are based in Oregon. I actually have a mailbox forwarder there for US based purchases that I've used a few times.
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Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 3:20pm
Chequebook sailing at its worst. Not unlike the America's Cup. Nothing to do with the fact they're mostly AC sailors sailing them... ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 3:32pm
at a time when a whole bunch of over-paid, underwhelming dullards are booting leather around grass in Russia, I think it's fair to say the very concept of "cheque book sailing" is rather moot by global sporting standards.
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Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 3:57pm
Germany have just gone out, so all is well with the world. :-) ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 4:11pm
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Given that a significant proportion of sales probably go abroad, and out of the EU, then displaying Ex-VAT prices makes sense... ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 4:52pm
Yep, meeting a German colleague tomorrow... it’s going to be an expensive bar tab |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 7:44pm
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Had to drop the next SIL a line, being the generous sort and as he could soon be part of our family I offered to let him cheer our bunch of millionaire dullards on, they're going to need it when they meet a proper team. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 27 Jun 18 at 7:46pm
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Germany have just gone out, so all is well with the world. :-)
Surely that's not true till England are out too? ------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 28 Jun 18 at 11:39am
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Have to agree with TT on the foils. Amazing pieces of low sales volume technology which must have taken a long time to get them to where they are now. Surprised they aren't more expensive.
I don't play games with toys that expensive. I don't have the money, the talent or the drive. Hats off to those who do, so long as people stop telling us it is the future of sailing. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 28 Jun 18 at 4:10pm
| Love the last bit Rupert! SO true.... |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 28 Jun 18 at 10:01pm
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Damn, Rupert beat me to it. ------------- sailcraftblog.wordpress.com The history and design of the racing dinghy. |