Dinghy development: Have a look at this

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Have a look at this

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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: Have a look at this

Posted By: Olly4088
Subject: Have a look at this
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 9:39am

Look at this thing.

http://www.gohoot.com/gallery.html - http://www.gohoot.com/gallery.html

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Phantom 1298

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Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 9:48am

Wings - check
Sleeve luff - check
Narrow hull - check
No spinnaker - check
Moth logo - erm, hang on...

Looks fun and all, but what does it give that a Moth doesnt already?

Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 9:54am

Nothing. I think they may be trying to make a boat that fits in between a Foiling moth and a non foiler.

Not to sure on the name either

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Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 9:59am

Looks wider on the waterline than a Moth, more like an RS300 but with tramps rather than the moulded-in wings

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RS600 1001

Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 10:04am

I thought that. Not sure it will make it to these shores though. I dont think it would be able to compete any way.

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Phantom 1298

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 10:04am

Originally posted by aardvark_issues

Wings - check
Looks fun and all, but what does it give that a Moth doesnt already?

A big fat 1970s style transom?

Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 10:08am

Bit like a SMOD Moth.

I'd love to sail on SF bay ...

Rick

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Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 10:11am

I think someone should come up with a high performance single handed skiff for the bigger bloke.

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Phantom 1298

Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 10:17am

Looks fun. Did he build it to escape from Alcatraz? ;)

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Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 10:20am

It does look like he may have.

I think I might have to design a boat. rs300 massive sail area and kite.

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Phantom 1298

Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 10:22am

I believe the Yanks have some quite different dinghies to us. Anyone know
any more about that?

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 1:02pm

Originally posted by Philsy

I believe the Yanks have some quite different dinghies to us. Anyone know
any more about that?

Yep, their equivalent of an RS400 is a 30foot leadmine...

Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 1:05pm

I cant belive that some copmpanies like RS and so on havent thought of it there would be a massive market for things like 200s,300s, 400s, 600s,700s, 800s over there

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Phantom 1298

Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 1:28pm

I'd be wary of launching a decent boat which requires talent and athleticism to sail, to a nation which thinks the Sunfish is great high performance racing dinghy.

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Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 1:30pm

Very very good point.

There are allot of people in canada and the usa that sail albs. There are very technical about everything.

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Phantom 1298

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 2:06pm

Originally posted by Olly4088

I cant belive that some copmpanies like RS and so on havent thought of it there would be a massive market for things like 200s,300s, 400s, 600s,700s, 800s over there

I can believe that they have thought that there wouldn't be a big market over there... Which is pretty much the same thing.

There's a belief that if a boat isn't so solidly built of think fibreglass that it doesn't break when college kids bounce it off the rocks all year it isn't strong enough. Given boats like that its little wonder they want to sail leadmines at the age of 20.

Give you an example, one of the top selling boats in the US is a boat called a Club 420. Its like an ordinary 420 except detuned with an untapered mast and even thicker glassfibre and no less than 50 yes fifty pounds more weight... It even comes with rubber gunwhales I think so they can bash into each other with less damage. There's I think a version they use for College sailing which has no trapeze or kite...

The guy that owns the conmpany that buildsa these things knows all about decent sailboats. He owns some great ones. He just can't persuade his customers to buy them...

I think a lot of it is in US college sailing. In Uni sailing in the UK if you break it you don't go sailing till you've fixed it. So you avoid breaking it if at all possible: end of story. I think in the US they have people who are paid to fix the boats, so the people who buy the boats are only interested in boats that don't break...

Come to think of ut, Laser should be in there with the 5 Tonner, the US is obviously its natural home...

Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 2:10pm

yeah. Maybe thats a business idea. Go over to the USA take orders and ship them over. But just charge loads.

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Phantom 1298

Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 2:17pm

Just thought, the sailors of that boat would be called Hooters. Can you imagine the logo on the sail?

( o )( o )

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Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 2:23pm

could be interesting

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Phantom 1298

Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 2:43pm

Originally posted by Jamie600

Just thought, the sailors of that boat would be called Hooters. Can you imagine the logo on the sail?

( o )( o )

Good sponsorship opportunities ...

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Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 5:31pm

I find it astonishing that the Sunfish is still popular. This and some other US
boats are here:

http://www.teamvanguard.com/

Nothing to really get excited about...

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Posted By: Sumo
Date Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 5:54pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Olly4088

I think someone should come up with a high performance single handed skiff for the bigger bloke.

see http://www.mustoskiff.com - www.mustoskiff.com

or alternatively wait for Rick's reply below....

MPS apparently carries weight and lightweights very well.

Carries the weight well if you can keep the boat under the mast, not one for the less skilled sailor!