Sunfish, MacLaren and Popcorn...
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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: Sunfish, MacLaren and Popcorn...
Posted By: JimC
Subject: Sunfish, MacLaren and Popcorn...
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 1:59am
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Interesting times for the International Sunfish Class.
Fortunately this affects very few of use this side of the pond, so we can sit back and munch popcorn, but it seems that MacLaren/Laser performance are having a row with the International Sunfish Class Association, and they have set up a new Class Association and are trying to render the current one impotent. The Laser Performance Press release is here: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59f7891912abd93473ed936e/t/5a009c29e4966b4deb691d8f/1509989417937/ISCO+Press+Release-Nov-2017.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59f7891912abd93473ed936e/t/5a009c29e4966b4deb691d8f/1509989417937/ISCO+Press+Release-Nov-2017.pdf The Sunfish CA President's response is here. https://www.sunfishclass.org/documents/ISCA_President_Letter_Nov-07-17.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.sunfishclass.org/documents/ISCA_President_Letter_Nov-07-17.pdf What will really be interesting is the ISAF response. ISAF could refuse to recognise this new CA, they could stop recognising the old CA, all sorts of possibilities. Maclaren give ISAF serious sponsorship, which will no doubt cause them to think... |
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 7:44am
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neither link works for me. Didn't they suspend production last year ?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 8:11am
| Deja vu. I suspect Rastegar's money will win out again. Sure, anyone can set up a fan club (which is all a traditional CA is), but World Sailing will only recognise one and sanction them to organise World championships. |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 8:13am
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Try this. ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 8:15am
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And this... http://cdn.sailingscuttlebutt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/ISCOPressRelease-Nov-2017.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://cdn.sailingscuttlebutt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/ISCOPressRelease-Nov-2017.pdf ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 8:16am
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The links work if you chop off the HTTPS. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 12:56pm
| Ah, 'tis a bug in the forum software. If the link starts https:// it prefixes http:// |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 1:00pm
| aero 5 anyone? |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 4:26pm
| Where did they get to on the Laser issue? |
Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 4:39pm
| Rastegar won... Kirby lost. |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 4:53pm
thanks largely to World Sailing's treachery I suspect. I will never understand how they could side with the one who had not stuck to their contractual obligations, failing to pay the designer his due royalties, for years. Ant of course, what a great job Rastegar is now doing. Anyone not struggled to get official Laser parts when they need them? ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 6:08pm
AIUI Kirby lost on legal technicalities. The rights and wrongs never seemed to come into it, which seems par for the course for US civil law. |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 9:28pm
So what does that actually mean for the class?
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Posted By: turnturtle
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 9:56pm
Sentiment shared here Jim, as for what it means to the class, no idea really... same old, same old: two tier system of club racers vs the circuit guys I guess |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 Nov 17 at 11:51pm
It means the class has two main builders worldwide who hate each others guts, have each cost the other a lot of money in litigation, and who have rather different visions for the future of the class. |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 09 Nov 17 at 9:44am
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I thought boats built by Bruce Kirby and associates can't be called, or sailed as, Lasers. Is he actually allowed to build an identical boat BTW, the IP argument all went a bit beyond my understanding (or at least my will to read the fine print)? ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 09 Nov 17 at 11:54am
Who are the two builders?
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Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 17 at 11:55am
Opening the door for the Devoti D Zero & the RS Aero
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 09 Nov 17 at 2:37pm
In future whenever I feel aggrieved that I can't change something on one of my boats I'll go and read this https://www.laserinternational.org/rules-and-regulations/illegal-equipment/" rel="nofollow - https://www.laserinternational.org/rules-and-regulations/illegal-equipment/  ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 17 at 2:45pm
Most on that list is fair enough; but some seems a bit silly, Deck ware pads??
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 09 Nov 17 at 2:51pm
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The rope holding the traveller block together??????????? I can only see two which might affect the performance of the boat (and I realise I must have too much time on my hands....... ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 09 Nov 17 at 2:53pm
Laser Performance (Europe) Ltd Performance Sailcraft Australia (there's also Performance Sailcraft Japan). |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 09 Nov 17 at 6:47pm
And what of Kirby Inc? Though TBF that's not a Laser but a Kirby Torch 
That would throw up an interesting situation with two identical dinghies that are separate classes with different CAs, manufacturers and, presumably, race series.....
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Posted By: bustinben
Date Posted: 10 Nov 17 at 11:19am
Really? I think most of them have the potential to affect performance, with the exception of the ones about sail numbers which are there for other reasons, and maybe one or two others. They might not be things that are obvious unless you sail the laser...
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