Best pump action Spinnaker halyard Cleat???
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Topic: Best pump action Spinnaker halyard Cleat???
Posted By: GG NHRC
Subject: Best pump action Spinnaker halyard Cleat???
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 9:49am
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Hi all
So what is the best pump action Spinnaker halyard Cleat??? And what are your views on the best system for hoist and drop??? |
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 10:58am
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Take a look at any Fireball, they have a pretty much standardised setup these days with elastic take ups. You only need a drop if you have a chute. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 11:28am
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IS this for a single hander or crewed boat? I came to like the Spinlock cleat for the hoist of the Alto, they fitted an RS700 style system to my V2 which worked really well, but it's a system involving rocker one way cleats and fairly complex system tuned by bungee which needs to be kept in good condition.
Simplest Hoist drop was the MPS, uncomplicated and once you got the knack of holding the tiller down on one knee was easy to operate. Worse system the RS100 which had gubbins up under the deck you can't get at and designed to fail only during a major event. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 11:56am
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Cheers guys
What would be really useful is any Fireball, 505, RS700 sailors opinions on which flip/flop pump cleat is the better option? There are a few options on the market, Allen, Northfix...??? Haven't seen the Spinlock one mentioned above, I'll do a search |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 12:15pm
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'Noah' who hangs around here has a pretty well set up Fireball, might be worth dropping him a private message in case he doesn;t see this. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 12:40pm
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I owned a 700 for 11 years and can confirm that the Northfix cleats are fine. Back in the early days (pre 2003) there were issues with the bases flexing so Northfix beefed then up. As far as I'm aware they are all at the new standard.
The cleats generally work fine regardless of rope type, but it's normally recommended if you go for a d12 halyard to bulk it out where it sits in the cam cleat. I had a full set of spares for my 700 but never used them, so 11 years of fairly hard use and the cleats were still in good condition. ------------- OK 2129 RS200 411 |
Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 12:43pm
| Great cheers... |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 5:09pm
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Gee, thanks Jeffers. I don't think I've seen anything other than the Northfix on any Fireball, and it works just fine. Only issue I've ever had was the split ring working its way out, leading to loss of the pivot pin. (I hate tape!). Fixed by replacing the ring and squeezing it so it cannot rotate. ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 09 Mar 17 at 7:40pm
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Thanks Noah
Much appreciated |
Posted By: JohnJack
Date Posted: 10 Mar 17 at 9:39am
| I used to sail a Scorpion with bags. We had a Northfix with flip flops and a Harken Cam-Matic worked really well. Kite was up in a fraction of a second. You have to keep the friction in the system to a minimal as you have a 1:2 at the pump handle. |
Posted By: fogliettaz
Date Posted: 10 Mar 17 at 2:20pm
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Look no further. http://www.allenbrothers.co.uk/item.asp?cat_id=4&prod_id=141
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Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 10:28am
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It's a great system for a swift hoist
Thinking of adding a 1:2 purchase inside the rig to aid up and down. But not using a pump down system as used on canoes and rs700s |
Posted By: ColH
Date Posted: 24 Mar 17 at 5:56pm
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I had an old wooden (yet *stunningly* beautiful!) Fireball a few years ago. I don't recall the make of pump cleat but it was just one of the blue-anodised ones from way back when. It looked like it could have equally been made in a shed with a black n decker, but it worked perfectly. I suspect the action may be as much about having good take-up blocks and shockcord. |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 24 Mar 17 at 9:06pm
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@ColH. The blue anodised pivoting bit in a stainless frame is, I think, the Northfix cleat. You are quite right though that the key to a good hoist is ensuring the take-up works properly. ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: Ian99
Date Posted: 24 Mar 17 at 11:26pm
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The blue pump cleats are definitely the Northfix version. They last almost as long as the metal Harken cam cleats (i.e. longer than most boats!). After about 10 years of regular use they can start to slip, but a few seconds work with a file or a grinder resharpens the edge which grips the rope and gets you another 10 years. The crucial factor in the pump systems though is the takeup, and preventing the rope twisting. When buying both the halyard and elastic, make sure you see the chandlery take it off the reel. It's critical that it is unwound properly and not pulled off the side of the reel, otherwise you get twists built into the rope that are almost impossible to completely get rid of, and can jam the system really easily. These twists always show up for the first time at the point when you're leading the race on the inside on a busy leeward mark rounding, and never when you're checking the boat before the race...... |
Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 26 Mar 17 at 9:10pm
| Anyone have tips on avoiding the dreaded twists...? |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 26 Mar 17 at 10:49pm
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Stiff rope for the halliard. It feels crap to handle though. I haven't used it but Rooster have a low twist halliard rope they say is good to handle........ ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Southsailor
Date Posted: 27 Mar 17 at 7:53am
| Use 3mm D12 for the halyard, pull the kite up and mark where the halyard is in the cleat, then take a short length (about 10-15cm) of 3mm D12 and splice it into the halyard where you marked it, effectively you're just adding a shore core of D12 so you end up with a short length of 6mm halyard. Best to use some whipping twine and add a couple of locking stitches at each end just to make sure it doesn't slip (it shouldn't as the D12 locks on itself). By adding a core you give the cleat a 6mm section to grip so you won't have any issues of slipping. |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 27 Mar 17 at 11:33am
What Southsailor said. ------------- OK 2129 RS200 411 |
Posted By: GG NHRC
Date Posted: 31 May 17 at 7:52pm
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Cool cheers guys Rope wise I'll check out the rooster product. Didn't know they had a Halyard as well as the proline mainsheet stuff... Was thinking of just using 2.5 sk99, with a thickener as you recommended Still thinking about a possible 1:2 in the system either inside the rig or next to the forestry to get faster hoists...
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