RS800
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Topic: RS800
Posted By: Hugh
Subject: RS800
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 7:24pm
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I'm not normally the sort of person to post on these boards but here goes. I'm going to move up from the 4000 I currently sail sometime next year. I want it to be twin wire and have a decent fleet which narrows the choice a bit! The 800 is the obvious choice and should be in budget. The main question really is running costs. What insurance premiums do you pay, how quickly do you get through sails, how much cordage is it necessary to replace annually to keep it in just so etc. etc.? Cheers Hugh |
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 7:54pm
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Cant help much about the 800 but Id agree that its probibly your best bet, twin wire you dont have many options... I14 (probibly more than you want on running costs) RS800 (as you mentioned, likely to be your best bet IMO) 49er (like a hardcore RS800 I supose, could also be an option) Boss/5k (both dying classes unfortunately but fantastic on a budget) Spice (no class to speak of) Cherub (well, it had to be said. small fleets but very friendly) Theres also a whole load of cats if you want to go down that route but someone else would be better placed to rant about them. Good luck though ------------- |
Posted By: Hugh
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 8:22pm
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Cheers for that. I am looking for a proper skiff this time as
well; should have mentioned that before. L5000, boss, spice
are to conventional and boat like; perhaps moreso than the
4000. Cherud, I14 etc will depreciate too fast. I am at university and money doesnt grow on trees at the moment unfortunately. The 49er is the other option as far as I see it. I sailed one a couple of weeks ago and loved it; but was acutely aware that the person I was sailing with was making life easy for me. I dont think either myself for my crew are good enough. And as with some others running costs are likely to be too high. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 8:52pm
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If money is an issue then you wont be buying a new boat and older 14s and cherubs tend to hold their value pretty well... Whats your budget? ------------- |
Posted By: Hugh
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 9:34pm
| Just to settle this, its going to be an 800 because there are 4 (soon to be 5) others at the club where I sail! |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 9:46pm
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Both the 5000 and Boss are older designs, but I'd still say they are skiffs and far from conventional, try sailing either the boats. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 9:51pm
Both the 5000 and Boss are older designs, but I'd still say they are skiffs and far from conventional, try sailing either the boats. I sailed the 4 & 5000s I'd say the 5 is just as much a skiff as the 4000 ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: Hugh
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 10:00pm
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Ok, time to get this thread back on track; it wasnt intended to be a debate on what is / isnt a skiff. I am most likely going to get an 800, there are a number at the club where I sail and from what I've found out so far it meets all the criteria. The budget will be around £3000 + what I can get for the 4000 (hopefully £>2500). The main question is running costs; I know sails are cheaper than they are for the 4000 but I'd like to know about their longevity. Does any of the running rigging (inc cunningham, kicker, halyards etc.) wear excessively that it frequently needs replacing and given normal use what is wear like on sheets (ultimately what are the sheet loads like?). Is there anything else that needs replacing often? Also is there a dedicated 800 forum anywhere? |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 10:07pm
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I've heard the sheet loads on the 800 are lower than on the 4000. Have you tried searching for the RS 800 website an the Yachts and Yachting class database? ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Hugh
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 11:04pm
I'm sure there used to be a forum on the RS-association website but cant see it now. I've just come across a yahoo forum; does anyone know if this is the only one? |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 24 Nov 05 at 11:33pm
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The RS website got all changed around and lost the forum and all the
boats for sale.. There was also a good section that mentioned how many
RS boats were at each club.. where do you sail?
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: Hugh
Date Posted: 25 Nov 05 at 8:13am
| Restronguet SC, there are currently 4 800's 2 of which race most weekends, one of the cat sailors is also changing to an 800 early next year. |
Posted By: nathan
Date Posted: 25 Nov 05 at 11:44am
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I have had a 800 since april and had a geat time sailing it. Insurance with noble (expensive- but worth it) was in the region of 300-350. All ropes seem to last a long time, I've gone through a couple of main halyards, but due to error in how I was rigging it, similarly a few mainsheets wore through due to choosing the wrong type of rope. There is a yahoo email group, with old messages archived. Generally a friendly bunch with advice easily forthcoming. |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 25 Nov 05 at 5:52pm
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The RS association site works but there's no longer a forum, there are
no 800s on the for sale section (I haven't checked for other classes)
and the section on clubs is gone too..
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: A Seabadger
Date Posted: 25 Nov 05 at 9:40pm
I think they should have kept their forum (although not a great contributor I did like reading it  ) when we asked them about it they said it was becuae it didn't get used enough.------------- I don't suffer from insanity...I enjoy every moment of it. |
Posted By: ed490
Date Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 10:29pm
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I got an RS800 towards the end of the summer, having a great time and she's easy enough to sail - i'm teaching my girlfriend to sail on her and not regretting it. Obviously can't comment on the running costs too much but insurance was just over £300 (noble), for sail number 898. |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 12:17am
| I'm not an expert on the 800 but I know they changed the design of the mast after while - so you probably need to speak to an owner to get the whole story. Sails seem cheaper than the 4000. I also know the crews complain about the jib sheet block and there is a new one available from Holt but being complex it is expensive. Similarly the standard ratchets are not considered too good and many change to Frediksen (I think that's the name) or to Harken, both are expensive. The mast track has a tendency to come lose at the bottom. One cost you should factor in is the Higher & Faster DVD - a must for high performance boats. |
Posted By: Hugh
Date Posted: 28 Nov 05 at 9:22am
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Thanks for all the replies. Insurance wise I'm paying £138 with REDmarine on the 4000 and the policy is virtually identical to Noble's. I'll give them a call and see what it would be for an 8'. Hopefully my budget will be around £5500; so I should have the option of going for a cheaper boat that needs things doing to it or a sorted one. I had also noticed that sails are cheaper (by £170 for a full suit  ).Thanks for all the help so far, if there is anyone who has gone from 4000 - 800 id appreciate your feelings on the change. Cheers Hugh |