The R class skiff
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Topic: The R class skiff
Posted By: neil 4450
Subject: The R class skiff
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 5:35pm
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i found this wesite the other day about a boat calld the R class skiff anyone els heard of them??????
www.rclass.org |
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 5:41pm
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Yep! They are similar to UK cherubs, very nice boats. ------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 5:47pm
Mainly sailed in New Zealand I think, compared to UK Cherubs they have
a bit less sail upwind, a bit more downwind and can have a fixed
bowsprit as I recall. Look awesome to sail though, there's a video
around (stagecoach 2 I think) with one jumping from wave to wave at
crazy speeds. Then capsizing 
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 5:59pm
Sums up about what I was going to say... Nice boats, slightly more sane 12ft skiffs really. Would be quite interesting to se how the UK cherubs fair against them around the cans. I suspect the Cherub would be marginaly faster upwind, loose out down due to the smaller kite but gain again when the R is faffing around trying to bag the kite... ------------- |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 6:08pm
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The R has 13m upwind, but carries around 30m downwind. Also is around 30kg hull weight where as the cherub is 50kg.] The 12 ft skiff I believe is 40kg hull? But dont quote me.
------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 6:13pm
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ahh... didnt think about hull weight The R does not appear to have a minumum on a quick scan of the rules 45kg for the 12 though ------------- |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 6:34pm
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Why don't they all merge? It would be a great thing to have an International 12. Rick ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 7:01pm
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I reckon the 12 foot skiffs would have more than a slight advantage and the R class is actually 13 foot, it would be good to have inter-class racing between the Cherubs and R class, due to them being very similar. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 7:10pm
Well, an R is too long by about 8 inches I think There have been some comments about merging but as much as id love a go, I cant see the 12 surviving in this country. Besides, you can race a Cherub as a 12 anytime you want so actualy merging would do little exept make it cost more and put people off the class ------------- |
Posted By: neil 4450
Date Posted: 19 Nov 05 at 11:52pm
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i want 1 now!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
but the cost 14and a half grand new |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 20 Nov 05 at 9:45am
I know they are all different but they are also similar ... if they could comprimise into one set of rules then the collective class would have to be worth the compromise or are they "big fish in small pond" sailors? ------------- |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 20 Nov 05 at 10:19am
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There is no point in merging the 12, R, UK cherub and OZ cherub due to so many issues! But yes, a uk cherub can race with the 12's, and the 12's do run their small rigs and race the cherubs and R's. As it is we have been invited to race the worlds in oz with these guys, & at the nationals there was talk about having mixed international 12ft racing in Garda. A lil closer to home for us cherub lads! But then we get to race against the OZ 12's! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 20 Nov 05 at 10:57am
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R class...... Stagecoach
Aussie 12......... Acer
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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 20 Nov 05 at 11:21am
That would be well gd to have a mixed internationals at Garda, hmmmm maybe in a year or so when we own a more competitive boat . That would be well gud, hmmm, im thinking after race rides in the 12's!------------- -[Franko]- Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club RS600 933 |
Posted By: big man is back
Date Posted: 20 Nov 05 at 4:02pm
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the acer looks awsome wow i want one ------------- maybe theres more to life than being really really really really..........really good looking |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 21 Nov 05 at 12:33am
| In reality the 12s and R-class share events already. The 12s are invited to the Leander trophy and if I am correct, it has been a 12' skiff hull that has won the trophy in recent years - proving 8" isn't everything... |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 21 Nov 05 at 10:46am
We do already. It's called the interdominons. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 21 Nov 05 at 12:16pm
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The NZ 12's grew out of the Q class. As for minium weight R class rules dont have one. I think there down to 30kgs and 12's are 45kgs. Alot of the 12's, Stagecoach included, race as 12's and R's. R's are 12'9" long Acer is a Sydney based 12. the way to pick the R class is the sail nos.12's don't have them or have a look at the profiles part on the 12 footer web site. http://www.skiff.org.au - www.skiff.org.au As for the UK churbs racing agains the twelves COME ON DOWN!!! I think you will have a good time
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 15 Dec 05 at 6:42pm
So why have two classes so similar? why not all race together? Rick ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Dec 05 at 7:01pm
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In NZ back in the 50s there were three classes of performance boats about 12ft: Cherub, Q and R.
The Cherub was around 110 sq ft sails, 1 string, The R was I think around 200 sq ft sails The Q was unlimited sail multiple rigs. Cherubs tended to be teenagers and a bit older (although older sailors had them too, notably a couple called Frank and Nel Bethwaite who must have been late twenties or early 30s) Rs and Qs were much more adults boats. I think there may have been a tendency for Q in Auckland and R in (windy) Wellington, but I could be wrong. The Cherubs migrated to Aus, with Frank Bethwaite being one of the factors, and the Qs sort of merged with the Australian 12 foot skiffs. The Rs remained unique to NZ. Nowadays the Cherubs are more or less extinct in NZ, but are very strong in AUS, more or less to their orginal rules other than a sprit kite and a tad more white sail. So the difference between the multiple rig unlimited rag 12 footer and the R is really quite distinct and logical. Its just that 12s with the small rig happen to measure as Rs. |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 15 Dec 05 at 9:40pm
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Considering that the 12's and the R's are all about 11,000 miles away from the UK Cherubs and merging the UK rules with the 12's would obsolite all the current boats, almost triple the cost of a new boat and make just about everyone in the class far to light. It makes almost as much sence as merging the RS700 and the Musto Skiff after all they are both one design single handed skiffs ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 15 Dec 05 at 10:05pm
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I wasn't thinking the Cherubs would align as they are quite different but the R's and 12's seem quite similar. Perhaps the Cherub could work towards it ... Is this not similar to the unification of the I14 over the years? Rick ------------- |
Posted By: a_stevo
Date Posted: 16 Dec 05 at 2:42am
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in NZ several of the 12 guys race in the r class regattas aswell. The 12 is really only big in a very small part of the world. Sydney and Auckland. The rclass guys i think are largely from wellington. the fact that we are discussing this on a british forum is kinda ammusing to me. Neither the 12 or the R are native. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Dec 05 at 9:18am
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In an odd way, these classes are in a similar position to the local one designs that used to flourish around the british coast, but which have faded with the advent firstly of National classes after the war, and then with big manufacturers selling on a national scale. The best of them (X boats and St Mawes one designs spring to mind) are still doing well, but many of them are almost gone. I would think that the bigger distances involved in competing on an open circuit down under have encouraged local classes (of a rather more exciting nature!) to remain. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 20 Dec 05 at 12:39pm
The UK Cherub's are actually quite similar to 'R's and '12's' in fact we have more upwind sail area than 'R's. We are twin string but have limited our kites to 21 sqm. Where as the 'R's are unlimited kites but they must fit within a maximum circumference circle. The '12's are unlimited, but there small rigs - ( when it gets to 15 -20 knots ) are around the same as UK Cherubs, but a little more in the kite. The AUS Cherub's are quite different to 'R's and '12's' and UK Cherubs. One string and smaller white sails and kites. I'm not sure if that has cleared things up or made things more confusing!? ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 20 Dec 05 at 12:49pm
Crystal ... ------------- |