Commonwealth Games Sailing
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Topic: Commonwealth Games Sailing
Posted By: gordon1277
Subject: Commonwealth Games Sailing
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 8:28am
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If we were having sailing in the games in Glasgow this year what boats to use.
Rules 1. No Olympic classes allowed 2. Must be designed and preferably built in a commonwealth country. So my thoughts were. Small single hander for participants over 40 SOLO mixed fleet. Single Hander Phantom no helms under 90kg Two hander FIREBALL could be mixed or separate classes Skiff Int 14 but no Bieker designs allowed or 18ft Skiff Team Racing local boat but if no sensible choice available Firefly or Enterprise. CAT no messing Tornado (I think this was a Canadian design) Sail Boards sorry going to need help on this. what are your ideas on boats and other rules possibly participants must not be part of an existing Olympic campaign. ------------- Gordon Lossc |
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 8:38am
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Tornado designed in England. I'd prefer to go with the uniquely British Catapult for the Cat class. The Farr 3.7 for the singlehander, the SA Tempo Scow for the doublehander. Maybe we could allow the Assue 18' skiff in? And some yacht racing, in Clyde One Designs would be good. Team racing has to be in Fireflies, of course. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 9:50am
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Ladies single hander. Byte c2 of course! Mens single hander Supernova or this D zero thinghy if it's any good. Ladies double hander Fireball Mens double hander 505 Mixed sex skiff International 14 All Rya sqaddies banned. Crews selected by new trials.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 10:51am
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Maybe no one under the age of 40 should be allowed to take part?
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:06am
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Hi Itick
Sorry 505 is on dodgy ground much as I love the boat. It is an English designed boat that was redesingned to French rules. ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:18am
Wash my mouth out! The French have rules? Change that to Javelin then (Peter Milne)
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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:21am
Trial by ordeal perhaps. Burn the squaddies!!! |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:23am
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Sailing on the Clyde you have to something to keep warm....... |
Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:31am
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Mens 2 handed - Firefly with the flattop main, extended mast and gnav developed by the Yanks Mens Singlehanded - standard Firefly Womens Double - standard Firefly Womens Singlehanded - Firefly with storm sails Finale - with 6 sailors per country on site - Team racing with each Commonwealth country represented. Simple, cheap (no need to buy new boats) and team racing corresponds to TVs vast appetite for 'stadium sailing' ------------- Gordon |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 12:21pm
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Even I didn't think I could put the Firefly down for everything... Good post!
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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 3:07pm
Designed by a resident of GRF's homeland ...
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Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 3:27pm
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I apologise for thinking the Tornado was Canadian design, as I was trying to spread this round the Commonwealth how about a one design C class from the Canadian team. ------------- Gordon Lossc |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 3:32pm
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They should all be boats designed within this current century, no lipstick munters.
Choose from: Aardvark Rocket thing, Alto, Aero, Aura, D0, D1, RS100,RS500, X0, X1 Have I missed any? (That single hander merlin thing i can't remember, it's made of wood so should be disqualified anyway and the designer shot for perpetuating merliness). ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 3:38pm
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Just so you know, I have junior race training tomorrow morning. It is being coached by three topper squad members. Just saying. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 3:42pm
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The Canadians have been represented for long enough at Olympic level, haven't they? Not as long as the Swedes but a few games worth now. We could do the current century thing - or current decade, I guess, but at that point might have to look beyond the commonwealth. The Aero with 7 and 9 rigs for the women and men would be a nice start, K2 keel boat as the mixed doublehander, then all we really need is a cat and a board. Any Commonwealth versions of them from the last 4 years looking like nice toys? And that would do, how many classes do you need, anyway? Better to get 2 from each country in half the number of fleets. Why isn't there sailing at the games, anyway? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 3:42pm
Topper people need to be abused at every turn especially the female dob's that death glare you on the start line then sail away from you when your up on your ear in some gust. There should be special extermination camps for Topper squad members..  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Punky
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 3:43pm
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 4:11pm
Yes, but it should have been made to happen, something that stylish should have succeeded, it shouldn't have been left to a bunch of silly girlies... I demand it's used in the Games.  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 4:15pm
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49er FX is like saying that the Laser Radial was designed in the 80's or whatever (90's?), when patently, it is simply a smaller rig on a boat designed long before.
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 4:19pm
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Can we kick Scotland out of the commonwealth? That would solve the issue.... ------------- |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 5:20pm
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I'm up there rebuilding Hadrians Wall....cheeky buggers! |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 5:55pm
Yes please. Er Indoors is off there in July to wave flags about and measure things. If that weren't happening I would have a much better summer. I wonder how many Commonwealth countries you guys could name, without recourse to google? ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 6:07pm
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Quite a few for a republican ;-) (that's in guillotine not GOP kind of way) ------------- |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 6:44pm
Burn them!!! * *not really. Never understood the squad kid witch hunt on here. Always seems to be a lot of pre-conceptions that are at odds with our general experience.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 8:16pm
There is, actually, a rib roast later in the evening. Maybe I should indeed punish them for being great role models, bringing young sailors to the club and generally proving their worth. Then we could go back to bring governed by miserable old men.  ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 9:06pm
It's simple really - grumpy old farts don't like getting beaten by Yoofs because they cheat by training, eating right, practicing and listening to other people. The little gits. ------------- |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 9:13pm
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My nominations;
D-Zero (W-SH) D-One (M-SH) Int Moth (Open-SH) RS800 (Open Skiff) Fireball (Open Dinghy) ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 9:38pm
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Italy not part of the commonwealth, so D one not allowed!
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Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 9:40pm
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Gah! ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 9:45pm
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The no Olympic classes rule is silly if it excludes otherwise suitable classes.
so lets have :- Mens Womens singlehanders. Canadian designed, UK and Australian built - Laser and Radial. Mens Womens high performance, Australian and Australia/NZ designed, UK Australia and NZ built, 49er and 49erFX Mixed two hander keelboat, UK designed, UK/Australia built, Flying 15. |
Posted By: ChrisI
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 10:38pm
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No..... it's not to do with the boats at all.
It's the sailing course that's the problem. Just one thing will revive TV viewer numbers for competitive sailing events at Olympic competition (.... if we are not contemplating Olympic foiling AC 72s here)... and that's short track sailing, or short course racing, or however you want to describe it. We need a new race course which, just like short track skating, and parallel snowboarding, and BMX cycling, allows the competitors to exhibit athleticism and guile and tactics, and involves triumphs and complete disasters, but takes no more than 10 minutes to complete. |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 10:44pm
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so short course match racing in Lasers/D-Zeros ------------- |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 10:50pm
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Maybe if we did it in oversized wetsuits filled with custard it would be great for TV. If we have to bugger about with the sport so much that it's not really representative of the sport anymore, is it really worth it? Are we trying to create a spectacle rather than create worthy champions?
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Posted By: ChrisI
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 10:51pm
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Maybe match racing but fleet racing prob better, with 4 or max 6 boats (.... just like short track, or BMX).
You need action and controversy, and the equivalent of people falling over! (....but re the boats, the D-One looks good to me!) |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:03pm
It's a Knockout Afloat?
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:11pm
D one isn't made in Italy! ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:13pm
This was why they moved from triangle sausage to trapezoid with reaching finishes. Didn't work though, because Joe Public still doesn't get those dull legs where they all go of at tangents to each other.... ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:19pm
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Downwind slalom (like the windsurfers sometimes do) is probably the only racing Joe Public would easily 'get'. I still maintain that the key is to invest in decent commentators rather than mess about with formats. At the last Olympics Simon Bornhoft was excellent at explaining what was going on in the windsurfing. My non sailing mates followed it, and enjoyed it, far better than the dinghy races.
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 13 Jun 14 at 11:43pm
The worst thing about Sailing at the Olympics is this guy!
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 8:52am
If we are going by where the boats are built, not by where their roots/designers are, then we have an even bigger problem sorting things out. Only Poland and somewhere in the far east for many... The DZero would be out, which would be a shame. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 9:47am
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It should be run in Vortex v2s.... built, designed and given new horizon by passionate people in true corinthian spirit. There's also some sense of irony that the collapse of the former Laser Empire still produced something with common value and goodwill.... contrary to the imperial decision to destroy and suppress (by cutting the moulds up).
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Posted By: Cameron Winton
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 10:07am
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Don't know why they didn't have sailing in this years commonwealth games ( The Clyde - duh)
Taking it too far - sail it all in Loch Longs. As indigenous a class to the west of Scotland as you can get |
Posted By: Cameron Winton
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 10:11am
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And I quote from the Long Long Wikipedia entry: Although the spinnaker was first flown on the Solent in 1860s, this somewhat capricious sail was not adopted by the class until 1975.
A 3rd sail - work of the devil - far to modern |
Posted By: boatbasher
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 11:10am
Is he from Sheppey? |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 11:18am
And I've just been reliably informed that the D-One was designed by Phil Morrison, so presumably just as "Commonwealth" as the D-Zero.... ------------- |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 11:25am
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I thought Holman declined his OBE? ------------- |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 11:31am
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"Other Buggers Efforts" had nothing to do with it.
D-Zero (W) D-One (M) Int Moth (Open) RS800 (Open) Fireball (Open) Flying 15 (Open) Spitfire (Open) I win. ------------- |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 1:34pm
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The D1 hull was Morrison, the rest, not. So, how much Commonwealth do we need for all this? Created by an Italian company who employed a Brit to do the hull lines - not sure we are there. I think we need to have boats inspired, designed and built in the Commonwealth, if we really are going to get silly about it! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Null
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 1:56pm
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Devoti are based in Poland, I think the only thing Italian is the name, but Rodney will confirm. Surely the hull is the most important thing? Phill Morrison is named as the boat designer, good enough for me.
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 3:32pm
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all but the spitfire (but only just) i reckon accommodate you there Rupert single handed dinghy mens - RS700 alternative outside of commonwealth Musto skiff single handed dinghy womens - RS300 - alternative outside of commonwealth D-One keelboat mixed - k6 - alternative outside of commonwealth SK6 or VXOne cat mixed - spitfire - Double handed dinghy mixed - fireball - alternative outside of commonwealth 470 ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 3:50pm
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But if Rupert's playing hardball on this then you can't use the Spitfire either as it had significant French input. ------------- |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 4:24pm
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that's why i said, "all but". i dont know of any other modern designed cat from the commonwealth (mostly) ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 5:06pm
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 5:06pm
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Dhow from Kenya and various other African nations. ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 5:32pm
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Now we're talking! Getting them to Glasgow might cause a few logistical problems, mind. We could have Bermuda Fitted Dinghies, too.  ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 7:23pm
Here's your cat class, from Polynesia ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 14 Jun 14 at 7:56pm
Now that's what you call a spinnaker, none of those so called massive 5o ones ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 15 Jun 14 at 2:12am
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The Australian-designed Viper F16, second in the most recent ISAF trials IIRC, would be a major candidate for the cat slot. The Moth doesn't quite qualify, strictly speaking, as it was invented in the USA as well as Australia, and without the spread from the US branch and US/Swiss/French design input, it would not be what it is today. IMHO offshore yachts, probably the most popular type afloat, should be represented and a course from coastal town to coastal town could allow the inclusion of many areas that would not be part of the Games. I'd agree with Jim that the Olympic classes should be allowed, giving us; Mens S/H- Laser - currently sailed in most CW countries where the sport exists and vastly more than any other class bar the Opti? (if no Olympic classes are allowed, substitute Contender, currently sailed UK, Oz, Can + Scot?) Womens S/H - Radial (or "Contender Radial?") Mens 2H - 'Ball - currently sailed UK, Oz, Canada, South Africa, Scot(?), Kenya (?), Northern Irel (?) Zim (?) formerly sailed NZ; or 505 (Uk, Oz, SA, Can, Zim (?) Scot (?) NI (?)) Womens 2H - 'Ball Mixed Skiff - 49er/FX - currently sailed UK, Oz, NZ, SA, Scot(?), Cat - Viper or Tornado - Viper currently sailed Oz, Sing (?), Uk(?); Tornado Uk, Oz, ?? Keelboat - Flying 15, currently sailed UK, Oz, NZ, SA, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Zim? Windsurfer - sadly, none of the classes are CW designed. Offshore yacht - Farr/Mumm 30, currently sailed UK, Oz, NZ, Can a bit IIRC. Otherwise whatever is strong in the host country ie Sigma 33, Farr 1020. Team Racing - Ent (Uk, Sri Lanka, SA, India, Scot, NI,) or Tasar (Uk, Oz, Canada, Scot(?)). It's scary to see how few classes are really widespread. The fact that our few widespread classes are so often attacked is even more scary given their rarity. No wonder the sport has some problems when its players can't agree on international rules most of the time. PS apologies to the Welsh and others for not including them! |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 15 Jun 14 at 2:23am
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Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 15 Jun 14 at 7:13am
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"It's scary to see how few classes are really widespread. The fact that our few widespread classes are so often attacked is even more scary given their rarity. No wonder the sport has some problems when its players can't agree on international rules most of the time." Well yes. To my mind sailing shouldn't or cannot really be considered as an Olympic sport at all. Of course the top people have great fitness, skill and intellect. There is just too much equipment involved in the equation to really be able to clearly see the mantra of "higher, faster, stronger". I think sailing has closer parallels with motor racing than anything else. Think of the costs from Clubman Bangers to F1 probably not much different and regarding fitness, half tidy people with top skills can get pretty close to bothering the elite group. ???
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 15 Jun 14 at 11:06am
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 15 Jun 14 at 11:07am
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More Sunfish than lasers in the commonwealth countries? ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 12:39am
ISAF says that there are some 20 Sunfish in the Commonwealth countries; in comparison there are 1600 current members of the UK Laser association alone. ISAF info indicates that the Commonwealth has more countries with Laser associations than it has individual Sunfish racing. Even if a bunch of Sunfish were missed out of the ISAF figures the trend is still pretty clear. |
Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 12:38pm
I always struggle with the the assertion that the Sunfish is so numerous ... I consider myself well travelled and I have only ever seen a few battered examples in the Caribbean and USA. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 12:56pm
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I think they WERE numerous, but of the 250000 or whatever built, most have long since been scrapped. Still are a lot around if you go to the right places. If we want a Welsh connection, the GP14 was designed for the Aberdovey YC. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 8:11pm
| Indeed. Anyone know the story about where the bell insignia on the sail came from? |
Posted By: iiitick
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 8:31pm
| I always thought it was Bell Woodworking. Am I wrong? |
Posted By: Time Lord
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 8:43pm
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Or the bells of Aberdovey! A reference to the song. The bells are meant to be heard on the beach at Aberdovey from the last land out in Cardigan Bay. ------------- Merlin Rocket 3609 |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 8:54pm
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It is for the bells of Aberdovey.
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Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 10:11pm
| Yes, sort of. According to legend there was a sunken kingdom offshore from Aberdovey and you are supposed to be able to hear its church bells ringing under the waves at Aberdovey beach. (Well I never did when I was there.) A bit of sailing trivia for the evening.... |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 10:48pm
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There is a sand bank out there which comes to the surface at very low tides. It is possible that the legends are based on a vague passed down memory of a time when there really was land. Church bells, I can't quite see. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 10:49pm
I love sh*t like that! Thanks Y&Y crew - you've made my boring monday evening worth living  ------------- |
Posted By: Null
Date Posted: 16 Jun 14 at 11:03pm
| Agreed a great but of dinghy sailing based trivia. Thanks |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Jun 14 at 8:21am
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But I still don't really want the GP14 in the games... not when the Bermuda Fitted Dinghy is an alternative! By the way, the "fitted" bit refers to the keel that gets bolted on the bottom to keep the thing upright. The K2 really isn't that new an idea. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 17 Jun 14 at 3:45pm
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If there were to be a Commonwealth Games sailing event, presumably we'd need some additional entries in http://www.sailing.org/documents/racingrules/index.php" rel="nofollow - Appendix G
Obvious ones: England ENG Scotland SCO Wales WAL (or maybe CYM?) Northern Ireland NIR Jersey ? Guernsey ? Isle of Man ? ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 18 Jun 14 at 4:58pm
Not thought about this before (and a little off thread), but if Scotland goes independant will every Scotish boat need to be reregistered. If they want independance, why should they use GBR? Jon ------------- Blaze 711 |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 18 Jun 14 at 5:08pm
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SCO would be available, but as Royal institution couldn't the RYA still be the MNA for Scotland? After all, I don't think the 'better alone' campaign are advocating dumpy Bessie for Nessie are they? ------------- |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 18 Jun 14 at 5:58pm
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No more than they could for Australia I'd have thought.
If they do vote yes, the big bonus for me is no more long drives to Largs for national events. |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 18 Jun 14 at 6:08pm
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RYA Scotland is the governing body for Scottish sailing. They do have their own championships, but some of these are more as if they were a region or zone, rather than a national championship. That's the impression I get from the website. I dont know if you have to be Scottish to sail in one of their events. In athletics you do have to be English to compete for England Athletics.
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Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 18 Jun 14 at 6:10pm
| They invited the English windsurfers up for their recent event. |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 18 Jun 14 at 6:55pm
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I guess so Gareth - it'd be a shame to lose Luke Patience from TeamGB though, i always enjoy his interviews and blog stuff. reckon he's going to get gold in rio too... ------------- |
Posted By: GarethT
Date Posted: 18 Jun 14 at 7:05pm
| If you were him, would you choose to leave the RYA machine to sail for Uncle Alex? |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 18 Jun 14 at 8:06pm
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I hear man u pay better, even if it's a sport for doughnuts.... Oh, the other uncle alex, nope not a chance ;-) ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 23 Jun 14 at 1:32pm
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RYA Scotland is currently a sort of "Super Zone" of the RYA- mainly functions as with the English zones, but with some additional responsibilities devolved to it. Think Northern Ireland and Wales are similar.
Kneewrekcer is right, the main part of the independence movement (or at least Wee Eck and his coterie) are fervent monarchists who seek to repeal the union of the parliaments (where England bailed out a bankrupt Scotland following a disastrous attempt to colonise what is now Panama) but not the union of the crowns (where a Scottish monarch realised he had the best claim to the English throne and promptly sat on it). In practice, I reckon what would therefore happen is that RYA Scotland would become a wholly separate organisation. Perhaps renaming itself as SRYA? It would certainly become a full MNA. I'd assume the rest of the UK (rUK) would continue to use GBR for sails, whilst Scotland would almost certainly go to SCO. rUK sailors would continue to be welcome at events in Scotland and Scottish sailors at evens in rUK. It would mean though that whilst SCO sailors would be able to race at a GBR Nationals, they would not be eligible for the title (it's not unheard of for European and even further afield sailors to sail at a UK nationals or vice-versa). ------------- -_ Al |