back strap
Printed From: Yachts and Yachting Online
Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
URL: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1149
Printed Date: 15 Aug 25 at 9:04am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 9.665y - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: back strap
Posted By: carshalton fc
Subject: back strap
Date Posted: 30 Oct 05 at 7:17pm
|
this weekend we were out having a blast in the 4k and thought we would try out the backstrap for a laugh and i put my foot in it and the thing just broke!!
 it did it on both sides!  what are the best backstraps to replace the ones we broke? thanks luke  ------------- International 14 1503 |
Replies:
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 30 Oct 05 at 7:35pm
|
Backstraps? Do you mean toe loops? I cant speak from first hand experiance but Ive come across a number of fans of the 'shock' fruitloops. I seem to remember they were developed by a certain Mr Hiscocks and they certainly look the mutts (If only looks were everything..) I cant find the web address right now and I dont think ive seen them for sale outside of their site but Im sure someone will have heard of them and can point you in the right direction ------------- |
Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 30 Oct 05 at 8:45pm
|
SImon Hiscocks' website which sells the fantastic footloops is http://www.sh-ock.com - www.sh-ock.com which seems to re-direct to http://www.ruleone.co.uk/ - http://www.ruleone.co.uk/ . Trust me, once you've tried them, nothing else comes close. We've fited them to all the boats we've had this year. Well worth saving up for and the PERFECT christmas present!
------------- Fly Cherub! |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 30 Oct 05 at 8:47pm
| Think this is the site for the site for the Shock footloops http://www.ruleone.co.uk/ |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 30 Oct 05 at 9:04pm
|
Ha Ha... well, 3 posts in a row all saying the same thing, I think you have your answer!!
------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 30 Oct 05 at 10:06pm
|
We use windsurfer toe-straps. Nice and comfy, easy to get in and out of and if you go a "trip down the mine", your ankles and feet will be okay. The shock footloops look good too but not tried them yet.... ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 30 Oct 05 at 11:07pm
|
Most musto sailors use a bit of reinforced plastic tube with a bit of string down the middle. Cheap and effective ... ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 30 Oct 05 at 11:18pm
|
Hose pipe too........... but watch your feet! ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 8:38am
thanks guys!! i will have a look and put them on my christmas list!!1 ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 9:09am
|
You can also use cut-up rubber car mats. I'm about to fit them to my Cherub, I'll let you know if they work or not! ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 9:25am
|
On a 12 ft skiff the Aussie ones have about 6 - 10 per side. We use generally things like the above, about 4mm spectra, with one of the following hoses
to make them stand up , pull rope as tie as you can get it, may need a couple of goes at this, with electrical tape between each of them. This works really well. ------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 12:16am
|
Dakine windsurfer toe-straps, well worth considering, not found anything better yet...... (mentioned them before but couldn't remember the name!) ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 2:36pm
How many feet do you have? Why do you need so many? ------------- |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 7:30pm
I have exactly the same ones on my 14. I got all 4 brand new off ebay for £18. Not sure why people and manufacturers go for the hosepipe/rope core efforts. I have never used them, but they look a great way to break your ankle in a wipeout. |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 8:53pm
|
"Why do you need so many?" (haven't worked out how to quote on this site....) Maybe so when's you're correcting the trim, there are enough for all point of sail? ------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 9:26pm
|
yer the windsurfing ones seem like a good plan and i can get them cheap!! from work!! i dont see the point in lots u only need one per side or 2/3 depending on what boat u sail!!------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 10:18pm
|
http://www.ruleone.co.uk/ - http://www.ruleone.co.uk/ ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Nov 05 at 10:32pm
|
Due to the short waterline length and the high power of a 12 foot skiff, I reckon they'd be a pretty rough ride on all points of sail, hence the reason for having so many foot straps. Even upwind misjudging a wave could see either the crew flying, the extra straps would go to a certain extent of not allowing this to happen and give the crew a bit of reassurance. As boats get longer, their longitudal stability increases, however the more power you put in a rig, the more you increase the chance of the nose going down as you crack off the wind (the rig accelerating quicker than the hull can keep up causing the boat to trip up). Thats basically why the 49ers have hoops at the rear of the wings on top of the fact to keep the crew secure to the boat at high speed. A good tip in high winds within any skiff is to stab the boat down wind on the bear-away instead of a gradual bear-away because it stops the rig from loading up halting it from accelerating at a greater rate than the hull. Sorry for going off-track a little, hope it's helpful Luke. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 8:34am
|
yer that does help i was wondering why most boats had lots aswell!! i am going to get some of the dakine windsurfing straps this weekend!! thanks guys ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 04 Nov 05 at 10:49pm
| Out of class on a 4000. Its a strict one design so you should fit the Laser ones which look a bit naf. Due to the pole being so long on the 4000 the bow stays up and the crew don't need to go that far back - so they're never used - some crews even tape them up so that the tiller extension can't get into them! |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 15 Dec 05 at 6:45pm
|
Do the 4000 rules evolve at all? If the owners think the strap is not right why not a small rule update? Rick ------------- |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 15 Dec 05 at 9:02pm
|
yes totally agree but to be honist it isnt needed so there is no need to change the rule. ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 15 Dec 05 at 9:43pm
|
It does seem a little over the top by restricting a small area such as foot-straps, do Laser really need to monopolise the class so much. There has been much discusion on the forum about current SMODs having to look forward to keep up with the times and survive. If the class is so restrictive can't see them applying to new rules to update the class, or maybe that's the key to success of the 4000, making sure there is no room for development to keep the current market happy? ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 15 Dec 05 at 10:06pm
|
As far as I know "most" SMOD's class rules generally evolve a little ... Just look at the Laser and the new controls (which I think are a huge imprvement BTW). Rick ------------- |