Single or double hander
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Topic: Single or double hander
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: Single or double hander
Date Posted: 31 Mar 14 at 10:45am
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In my new commordoral role I seem to be the person everyone now sends each and every query regarding our club which is now becoming tedious, however in this one I found myself forced to act in the same way all you lot have to when asked what's the best boat for a given situation and pointed to something on the beach.
Big guy quite tall probably north of 90 kgs wanted a boat to predominantly sail single handed but also wants to take someone else out, probably an offspring, and for the life of me there isn't anything I could think of specifically designed with that in mind. So I said Phantom. Given it would take the weight and they are entry level, but the crew will soon get bored with nothing to do, strikes me something should be designed to this end with a single handed role but with the addition of a jib could give little johnny/janet something to tinker with, without compromising the single handed performance of the boat rather than de powering a dual hander, or have I missed something that is already out there? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 31 Mar 14 at 11:03am
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The Vareo was marketed as this, as there is a spinnaker for the crew to play with down wind. Having taught someone how to sail the boat from on board, using the kite (acting as an extra pair of hands, really, so he could get a feel of the boat without the constant swimming) it can be fun. Wasn't the Vago also designed for this, but more from the Doublehanded but can be single point of view? In general, though, I would say you lose out either way round. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 14 at 11:24am
| For whatever my opinion is worth the best solution is to have a singlehander to be a singlehander, and rent a club training boat when you want to take people out for a ride. As singlehanders get more and more prevalent I think having a small fleet of decent rentable two handers is an important feature for a club. |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 31 Mar 14 at 11:42am
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I agree with Jim totally- assuming of course bloke doesn't want to hitch it up for camping holidays in Cornwall/France too.... then the Vareo. I recommended a Vago for a very good friend (e.g. a chap whom the Laser trademark wouldn't influence my advice) But he was primarily sailing it with other people, but wanted to sail singlehanded too. The cut down sails and trapeze gave him some fun cruising options- to the point that I've been tempted myself  If the balance had been the other way around with more single handing than double, then I would probably have gone for the Vareo- it's actually quite a nice boat to sail once you're north of 90kg, assuming you aren't expecting stunning upwind performance.
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 31 Mar 14 at 1:12pm
| I agree also. Over the years of coming here and on other forums there have always been those questions: "I need a boat for single handing and also taking the kids (and or wife) out". I don't think it works for many reasons........The conclusion I've come to is that 2 boats are needed, hired or owned. |
Posted By: Phil_1193
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 10:54am
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There are various cats that can be sailed single or double handed. Think some Darts can be done either way, and as a heavy weight will be fairly competative single handed |
Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 5:36pm
Exactly why I now own a Phantom and an Albacore (and a few other boats, but best not go there...) |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 5:57pm
| Dart 15 appears to be only credible option and only if you have a fleet of them. Otherwise get a couple of boats. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 6:55pm
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If looking at cats, there must be several others that would do the job too?
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 9:23pm
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Cats are not sailboats in the true sense of the word and anyway they are banned now at our club by Commodoral edict.
Cats are also the spawn of satan - it's written. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 01 Apr 14 at 9:34pm
| Why is it that I can't stop thinking of iGRF the Commodore, as the Rick Moranis character Big Helmet????' |
Posted By: stewart smith
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 3:03pm
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F16 singlehanded or double, no problem. ------------- Stewart Smith |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 3:15pm
It was Dark Helmet, but thanks for the giggle...  ------------- |
Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 4:44pm
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Dart 18 is very competitive single handed and perfect for a 90kg bloke.
I've heard things about a legendary shore dump down that way that might not suit a cat though. |
Posted By: yellowwelly
Date Posted: 02 Apr 14 at 5:04pm
@Paul... spooky.... ------------- |
Posted By: ajbaldwin
Date Posted: 04 Apr 14 at 3:07pm
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I can take a small crew in the front of the Vareo without any issues plus if they want a go on the stick I can just about get from one side of the boat to the other in the front possition as the boom on the vareo slopes upwards. Also I am 6" 2' and 95kg
There are quite a few Vago's at our club and they are more suited to take a crew that a Vareo with the trap option. But the Vago is lot more complex to sail well single handed than the Vareo, so it depends on their skill level and if the want a single handed trap boat.
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 04 Apr 14 at 5:15pm
Thanks James, its uncanny. Was it really Rick Moranis or just iGRF?????? |