Main and gennika sheets on the wire
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Topic: Main and gennika sheets on the wire
Posted By: billpayer
Subject: Main and gennika sheets on the wire
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 4:59pm
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Single handing any trapeze boat with both the main and genika flying and out on the trapeze, you need to have the genika sheet with you, but what is the best option for the main sheet? Do you just cleat it and leave it in the boat, cleat it and take it with you, or just hang on to it with the genika sheet. Is there any best practice that has found to be work over the years. I just cannot seem to get it flowing and what happens when you are on the wire and need to dump the main if you don't have the sheet with you. Any hints and tips would be appreciated.
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Posted By: Shingle
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 5:08pm
Graft on another arm! ------------- Drink Feck girls! |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 5:13pm
I've tried the extra arm option, but people kept staring at me, so had it removed
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 5:26pm
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If you have the kite up and are blasting you don't need to adjust the main so leave it cleated. I have a hook on my harness that I run the tail of the sheet through so I can ease the main prior to the drop (and gybe if it is windy). What class are you sailing? Rick ------------- |
Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 5:50pm
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I play the Kite with my front hand and use the tiller handindex fingers if its more than an arm full, The main sometimes I adjust with the kite in the front hand.With both sheets in one hand you can let one slide through fingers or pull both in together untill you hit the sweep spot. but mostly cleat the main and keep slack sheet in the rear hand thumb with tiller extension in dagger grip. I have a take up elastic for the end of the main sheet. Some people have a clip on elastic on there harness for an extra hand but I would by worried of not making it past the rig on a pitch pole if I was tied in. You can cleat the main and leave it in the boat less to think aboat,good if you are gybing alot but its not great when you have to avoid another boat and need to ditch the main sail. I thick its best to keep the sheet with you To pick the main sheet up if its in the boat just bare away step in and pick it up uncleat and ease if needed. Beware of going slow with the main in the centre you will get blown over. What class do you sail. |
Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 6:25pm
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When you get used to it you will have time to try and spot the ball(Leeward mark)as you apparent wind direction does not change much. |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 6:47pm
These days I'm trying various boats, I've come from a 505/Osprey/symmetric background and most of this year I've been sailing various asymetric boats from Feva's to Varios to Visions and others to get used to an asymetric. I own a Buzz and sail with my son or daughter, but frequently take it out on my own these days. Hopefully once I feel its all coming toether, then the next step will be to move onto something either like an RS700/Musto skiff, or go the two handed trapeze route....we'll see how it all works out! |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 8:45pm
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At times I've been out on the wire with the Kite up; with the main sheet and the traveller (and playing all three); but I do have a slightly more stable platform !
------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 10:15pm
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on most boats the main acts as a backstay with the kite up and there foreshould not be adjusted ! just think about single handedcats there is the spinny, main, and traveler! ------------- lifes to short to sail slow boats! RIP Olympic Tornado 1976-2007 |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 8:16am
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It may be worth pointing out, that the buzz is not ergonomially designed for signeltrapezing, so the layout may make things slightly awkward at times, just dont be put off too much by it. ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 8:30am
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Cannot disagree, it has a few challenges, but therein comes the dilema that has been covered in many forums, do you have more than one boat? i.e a single handed one, a two handed to go out with a crew and onother one for the kids to sail if they are not with me, its all gets to cost to much and where do you put up to three boats.....anyway that dilemma is not for this thread But back to the original quote, yes the Buzz is not ideal, but it does work and after a couple of small modifications, it can be pretty good single handed, not ideal, but we all like a challenge! |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 8:35am
A very good point, not thought of it like that, gives a new thread of thought as to handling the main with the kite up. Does anyone else clip their main sheet to their harness and if so what sort of clip method do you use and do you have a quick release snap shackle as part of this clip? |
Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 8:41am
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Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 8:42am
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Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 8:44am
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Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 8:52am
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Hope pics make it easier to understand Note sure how you do the jibe unless its a self tacker. Bite it? (not recomended for peolpe with false teeth) I guess it will flap a bit Have fun learning |
Posted By: billpayer
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 8:58am
| Thanks for pictures, that is sort of what I do, but nice to see someone else suggesting the same approach. I think I'll try the cleat main, but hang on to the sheet with back hand option. Locically it seems best. As for the jibes, yes the teeth are used if the wind is light, but a slow steady fairly deep gibe, kite and main across, then jib, then head back up again, I certainly will not be winning any races with the current speed of my single handed jibes, but its getting there. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 10:23am
You wont be entering any races with your single-handed gybes either  ------------- |
Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 11:18am
| Try just gybing the kite leave the main cleated.Take slack out of new sheet prior to gybe.Take the Kite sheet from the ratchet as you cross,If the kite catches the jib/forstay pull through later, if the kite inverts pull earlier. set the jib so it can set off the windward sheet. Keep it flat and fast. if the boat heels to windward going to the gybe you should have crossed earlier. steer a smooth long curve through gybe to give your self time to cross but not too long allowing the boat to slow down. other wise you will swim with the main sail in. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 12:14pm
Sten, Next time I see you can you please teach me how you operate your camera with your teeth ... Rick ------------- |
Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 12:31pm
Just press the button and smile I need a bit more practice to stop it being out of focus. or use the other hand.
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 2:01pm
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What other hand ... perhaps we have discovered your secret ------------- |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 2:32pm
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Rick,
You mean you only have 2 ? ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |