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Topic: Tasar crew weight

Posted By: AshleyTaylor
Subject: Tasar crew weight
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 8:45am

At a combined weight of 105kg do you think my daughter and I will be able to competitively sail a Tasar?

We are competent sailors and currently race a Laser 2000 but quickly become over powered.

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Posted By: andymck
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 9:03am

What sort of water?
What is your budget?

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Andy Mck

Posted By: AshleyTaylor
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 9:10am

Tidal sea (Broadstairs, Kent)

£1800

Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 11:22am

remember too that tasar have a minimum crew weight for racing .

from class rules :

C.6       Crew Weight

C.6.1    The TASAR, while racing in all sanctioned events, shall carry a minimum total crew weight of 130 kg. The crew shall be dressed in shirts and shorts, swim-wear or the equivalent, without shoes, all dry, at weight-in.

C.6.2    In the event that the weight of the crew, thus weighed, shall be less than 130 kg, such crew may race the TASAR, provided that, throughout the event, ballast equal in weight to at least the difference between the crew weight and 130 kg is carried secured in the cockpit. The ballast carried need not exceed 12 kg.

C.6.3    At sanctioned events, the Race Committee shall weigh and record the weight of each crew.

C.6.4    Each crew shall ensure they maintain a minimum weight of 130 kg at all times when racing.

As you only weigh 105kgs you do not fit this requirement unfortunately , so its eat the pies

not quiet sure what "The ballast carried need not exceed 12 kg." means or fits in , but C6.4 says you must maintain min130 Kgs

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Posted By: AshleyTaylor
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 11:32am

That rule won't be applied for club handicap racing but I'm wondering if we'll have enough lard to keep it flat in more than 10 knots of breeze.

Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 11:37am

im afraid it does , handicap (py) for a taser will be based on this min crew weight , guess you would fess up to being 25 kgs underweight (nearly half the hull weight of a competitive tasar ) and have your handicap adjusted accordingly .

Like lightweights in weight equalised boats like L4000s do when they race out of class without weights , or heavy weights extending their racks full out ;)

as for keeping flat in 10 knots upwind , challenging at 105kgs all up .

Yup i had a tasar

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Posted By: ChrisJ
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 11:53am

Current 2000 National Champion weighs in at around 19 to 20 stone for helm + crew.
Others sailing the boat find 22-24 stone ideal. Others find they are still competitive (but they didn't win!!) at 26-27 stone.

16.5 stone this year could easily be 18.5 stone next year... which is not much lighter.

Posted By: AshleyTaylor
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 12:04pm

We're a few years off reaching 18 stone. The 2000 weighs a ton dragging across the beach. I'm considering a Tasar because they are so light so I don't want to add weights. I don't mind altering the PN but if we're too light to handle it then maybe I'm looking at the wrong boat.

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 12:40pm

Originally posted by AshleyTaylor

I don't mind altering the PN but if we're too light to handle it then maybe I'm looking at the wrong boat.

Well, look at it this way: is it likely that Bethwaite and the class introduced the minimum weight rule because they though sailing the boat with less than 130kg was going to be slow? The story behind this in is the first Bethwaite book, High Performance sailing.

You'd have to work hard on boat setup depowering upwind, but you'd fly down the reaches.

Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 12:50pm

How about a National 12?

Posted By: andymck
Date Posted: 12 Sep 13 at 3:38pm

I think you would find it a bit tough in a windy broadstairs day. You would be fine inland. I was going to suggest a N12 as well. There are some fantastic bargains available now, and will last to about 20 stone. There are other alternatives such as graduates, miracles are sailed by similar sized folks as well.
Depends on what else is being sailed. I suspect most clubs would be just happy you are racing to get upset about minimum weight when taking your kids out. Opens would be different.
Andy

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Andy Mck

Posted By: DFF
Date Posted: 30 Sep 13 at 11:39am

Do some of the japanese tasar sailors at the worlds not get dispensation and race with a weight secured at the main sheet column?

If you aren't winning everything in sight then the club will probably be fine with this: there must be hundreds of under / overweight crews at local level around the uk!!

The tasar with either the older white dacrons or the new mylars is easy to depower - doings this off the water to begin with because the cunningham can be a handful and is a key control for a flat main. There is also a jib cunningham to tension before you set off on the dacrons for heavier wind.

Remember that "design wind" for two light adults is only 9knts, there after you are depowering the boat: flat main, down the traveller, jib cleats outboard and so on!

The only issue I see is your duaghter being able to work the kicker and the mast rotation lever, but if you are a little slow through the tacks the lever can be taken over each time without pressure, and the kicker adjusted if needs be.

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Crewing on a Melges 24, against my better judgement...