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Incompetent Crew - Your Scariest Moment?

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Topic: Incompetent Crew - Your Scariest Moment?
Posted By: lovesail
Subject: Incompetent Crew - Your Scariest Moment?
Date Posted: 08 Oct 05 at 8:26am
Each month the aviation magazines contain articles in which pilots and student pilots describe mishaps that have occurred or mistakes they have made which have put their lives of those of their passengers or people on the ground at risk. The idea being that by describing how one decision or a series of decisions put them in a dangerous position, both they and the readers learn from the experience.

Have you ever given yourself a scare while on the water? What did you do wrong and what did you learn from it?

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Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 08 Oct 05 at 7:19pm
Well once I tried to gybe in a Mirror in about f5, and I had no steerage at all, for some reason. I asked an expert (thanks Sam!) who said that in Mirrors you need to heel the boat to windward before you gybe. This feels strange, so I usually pull the boom all the way in before gybing then letting it out as soon as it comes over. Has anyone else got any ideas why i couldn't steer, because on another occasion i rammed the bank because I couldn't tack. (wasn't able to as opposed to didn't know how...)

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Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 08 Oct 05 at 9:41pm
well  ive had the usual good communication with my helm, he sometimes even remembers to tell me when hes going 2 tack! Another scary moment was when i was out on the wire the boat suddenly started heeling to windward, hopped in and it then started to capsize, looked round to shout at my helm of ways happening and hes about 15m behind in the water!

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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 7:36am

Originally posted by jpbuzz591

well  ive had the usual good communication with my helm, he sometimes even remembers to tell me when hes going 2 tack!

Buddy Melges won an Olympic Gold and Bronze and five world championships. He did not believe in telling crew when he was about to tack. In his opinion, they ought to be concentrating on the balance and movement of the boat and if they were, it would be obvious that he was about to tack. Chatter was unnecessary.

I do try and give crew notice but sometimes in big fleets, as a helm you just have to seize the moment when an opportunity opens up. I once had a new crew member along who claimed vast prior racing experience. Prestart in a fleet of around 30 and a minute or so before the gun, we were sailing just below the line on port looking for a hole to tack into. One appeared, I just said "tacking" and put the boat into the gap. "Can I have more notice next time?" she said. That made it obvious that all that prior experience she claimed was a big fib, as anyone who had done a lot of racing would have understood what was about to happen and been prepared for it. Nor would an experienced crew distract the helm with a comment that could wait until later in the final seconds before the gun.



Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 12:16pm



Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 12:38pm

I'll describe an incident I'm not proud of one bit.

It's Salcombe Merlin Week. My crew for the week is a skinny 17 year old lad who mostly sails keelboats and last sailed a dinghy a year ago. I've also mostly been helming keelboats lately. It is a hot sunny day in July and Shadeycombe car park is, as usual, well sheltered. The plan is to rig the boat and sail the half mile downriver to Mill Bay where the Merlins "park" for the week.

Crew is in shorts and T-shirt and has forgotten his buoyancy aid.  I've lined up someone to take my trolley over to Mill Bay in a powerboat and they are anxious to get going. What the heck, it is a sunny day, light breeze and we'll only be on the water 10 minutes.

Once in the middle of the estuary, I realise it is blowing F5. We are both out of practice so over we go. We struggle to right the boat. The tide is zipping up the estuary and I'm concerned we are going to get tangled with one of many moored boats. Crew is clearly getting very cold faster than I'd believe possible. We finally get the boat upright, and he is shivering violently. At that point, another observant Merlin sailor arrives in a powerboat. We sail to the beach and he whizzes my crew back to the car-park while I hold the boat, then he returns to tow me, feeling very chastened, over to Mill Bay.

We lived to tell the tale, enjoyed our week and finished mid-fleet. But it was quite close to going very horribly wrong.  It really brought it home to me that as helm, I needed to take the safety of my crew seriously, especially if they are not quite an adult yet. I should have made him go home for his bouyancy aid.

Think it couldn't happen to you? You might be right. On the other hand I'd been sailing for 15 years at that point without anything similar happening. Be careful out there.

 



Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 12 Oct 05 at 9:44pm
Doing an open in a laser 5000 we are heading to the bottom twin marks another 5 has just got inside us so my helm is a bit annoyed and is trying very hard to get back.His crew jumps in to get the kite down ,we left it a second longer! I go in start pulling the kite down when my helm starts screaming to get it down!get it down!As any crew knows we actually are doing our best but I try a bit harder and suddenly we head up !If you sail a boat with a spinnaker bag you know what happens (the kite goes through the jib slot into the water all 33sq metres of it !)It drags us sideways at speed straight into the transom of a capsised 5000 As the crew all I saw was the crew of the other boat trying to get out of the way of our boat he ended up hanging onto the end of our spinnaker pole!!! THe boat h ad been hidden by the overtaking boat !   


Posted By: Spot192
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 8:49pm
itīs a very short story but it was quite scary though. i was helmin our old howlett 1b penny 14. had no crew that sunny day in june and  there was a nice f4. well i phoned some people and finally there was someone who wanted to sail with me. he hadnīt much boats feelin as i should experience!  it was friday evenin racin so we reached the windward mark, he pulled up the kite, hold the rope very very tight and watched for about half a minute what all the other boats were doin, while i was strugglin to keep the boat upright, standin on the wire and shoutin at him. next to use was a small optimist and we nearly fell on that little girl, as  he finally eased the kite. i was so scared to hit that small girl!


Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 10:26pm
lol yeh oppys are interesting little objects - especially club racing a 14, when they go off first i remember once a very interesting bearing away situation with an oppie - fortunately we now run a seperate windward leeward course!


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