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Topic: Endevour trophy runners and riders
Posted By: IanW
Subject: Endevour trophy runners and riders
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 9:01am
420Matt Burge & Chris Evans
505Christian Diebitsch & Terry Scutcher
29erHuw Humphries & Max Todd
AlbacoreChris Turner & Simon Maguire 
BlazeMike Lyons & Katie Keam-George
CadetStephen Videlo & James Joplin
CometIan Coppenhall
EnterpriseTim Sadler & Richard Salt
FinnNick Craig & James Stewart
GP14Graham Nelson & Mike Senior
ISOLloyd Walker
LarkSarah Richards & Nigel Wakefield
LaserPaul Goodison
Laser4000Andy Palmer-Felgate
MiracleSam Mettem & Dan Vincent
MirrorHector & Bill Cisneros
OKSteve Dunn
PhantomSimon Childs & Tim Saxton
RS200Craig Burlton & Fiona Clark
RS300Ian Baillie
StreakerIan Jones
SupernovaMike Gibson
TopperBleddyn Mon & Duncan West 
VortexKeith Escritt & Phill Whitehead

My moneys on a top 3 of Finn Albacore and RS200




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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 9:21am

Shame the field is so weak; No Estaugh, Pinnell, Carveth, Howarth ... no Fireball, 49er, RS800, RS400 and so on ...

 

 



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Posted By: Pabs
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 9:28am

Did they not have 30 boats available if so why is there only 24 being used?



Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 9:28am

And that Laser sailor, what's he ever done, eh?

But I'd have to agree there are a number of great classes not represented. From my point of view, odd to see no Firefly rep, but maybe they have chosen to race Fireflies at Spinnaker this weekend!



Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 10:48am
I think there's a few missing, I know the Cherubs are sending two guys...

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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 11:36am
No Catsailors either - No fair

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Posted By: Pabs
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 11:39am

One of the guys that I know wanted to go and represent his class but the powers that be could not be bothered  to reply to any of the emails he sent to them.



Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 11:42am
Originally posted by Pabs

One of the guys that I know wanted to go and represent his class but the powers that be could not be bothered  to reply to any of the emails he sent to them.

 
Which class Pabs ?


Posted By: Adds
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 12:57pm
Not really that suprising there is no
RS800, 700, Musto Skiff, Int 14, B14 and 49er.
As they all have quality events this weekend.
Tide Ride event of the year and 49er Gold Series with money envoled!!

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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 2:25pm
It's also the SGP at Rutland HURRAH


Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 4:17pm
The reason there wont be any1 representing the rs400 is that Specky (the national champion) is representing the finn class, now he's good but i'd doubt he'd manage to sail 2 boats at once.

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Posted By: IanW
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 5:05pm

Originally posted by Iain C

I think there's a few missing, I know the Cherubs are sending two guys...

 

I thought the endevour was for classes with more than 50 boats at there nationals. They must be desperate



Posted By: Pabs
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 5:58pm
thats a bit harsh


Posted By: LocoP
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 7:21pm

>>  thought the endevour was for classes with more than 50 boats at there nationals. They must be desperate

Is that a new thing or an old thing.. I cant find any reference for how many boats you have to have at the champs to be represented.. But the cherubs will be there..



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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 8:58pm
Originally posted by Rupert

And that Laser sailor, what's he ever done, eh?

 

Won the Europeans!



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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 9:04pm
Originally posted by Jon Emmett

Originally posted by Rupert

And that Laser sailor, what's he ever done, eh?

 

Won the Europeans!



I noticed that but was too busy hoping it was a joke to comment on it... 


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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 08 Oct 05 at 9:45am
im pretty sure ive heard of others attending it that are not on that list....

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Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 08 Oct 05 at 8:24pm
Day one results:-

1. Nick Craig and James Stewart, 4

2. Steve Dunn and Tegwyn Roberts, 12
3. Craig Burton and Fiona Clark, 13
4. Andy Palmer Felgate and Jon Modral, 15
5. Sarah Richards and Nigel Wakefield, 21


Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 08 Oct 05 at 8:56pm
Goody had two gear failures though, since it is supplied kit perhaps he could get redress?

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Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 08 Oct 05 at 9:18pm
He admitted he was pushing it out of the gybes very hard and since it was only him that broke two kite poles in a row he is unlikely to get redress, not that it sounded like he would request it anyway.
 


Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 8:09am

Oh come on a Spinnaker pole should not break just because you heated the boat up when it was windy! Not a very good advert for the boat in my opinion.

Looking at the overall results, it is no surprise which a RS400 sailor is dominating again...



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Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 11:40am
I'd agree if lots of poles on the same boat in the same conditions went but two went on the same boat in a fleet of 26 identical boats crewed by highly competitive people. Are you saying he was the only one pushing it? I don't think so.
What is this, just another excuse to have a pop at Topper and the Xenon...what a bore.


Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 5:06pm

Do you think it is acceptable to have two spinnaker poles break in the same day with brand new kit?

 

I have NEVER had a pole break simply because I heated a boat up when it was windy!

 

(The only time I have ever had a pole break is when someone sailed into it doing around 15 knots!)



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Posted By: bob211
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 6:20pm
Looking at the photos posted in the "other place" it dose not even look like it was breazy it will be interesting to here opinion of those who sailed the boat at this event. 


Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 6:22pm
I don't know anything about what happened at the Endeavour trophy, but can you suggest what it is that might have caused one person to snap two new poles in one day Marine Boy? I've not heard of many snapping at all, so unless it was two duff poles it doesn't sound like they're strong enough..


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by CurlyBen


can you suggest what it is that might have caused one person to snap two new poles in one day Marine Boy?


Quite a number of things from poor setting onwards, depending on how its rgged. For one person to break two and no-one else to break any is kinda odd...


Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 6:48pm
I know there are a ways of breaking a pole, but I'd be suprised if someone in a class new to them rigged anything radically different to everyone else! And I thought the Xenon was meant to be pretty rugged and take abuse like poor setup?


Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 7:00pm

Looking at the calibur of the sailors do you honestly think there would be an issue with the setting/rigging?

In my experience novice sailors are far more likely to break things than experienced sailors...



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Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 7:22pm
That was the other thing I meant to say..


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by Jon Emmett

Originally posted by Rupert

And that Laser sailor, what's he ever done, eh?

 

Won the Europeans!

Oh, dear, does humour have to be spelled out even clearer on this site for some people? Yes, I know who he is and what he has done - the fact that he appeared in a list which had been dismissed as poor quality amused me...



Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 9:12pm
2 snapped poles on one day???? Never heard or seem of that happening before. Must be the curse of using green tape! Does sound quite a dodgy advert for the boat though, although it may not have been designed for that punishment and aimed more towards less intense racing.

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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 11:30pm
lol the curse of the green pvc tape!!!! thought i was the only one that knew about that, must be a clyde thing

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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 10 Oct 05 at 7:21pm
I was there racing.

The guys were very slick in the gybes and going from set to set instantly.
I just think that the alley went under heavy racing loads. There were
reasonable gusts on the race track. Gybe on to the gust and hit the new
gybe aggressively and bang. Combine that with reasonable crew weight
that is dam slick and with a boat that weighs 118-kg and you have your
answer.

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Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 10 Oct 05 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

I was there racing.

The guys were very slick in the gybes and going from set to set instantly.
I just think that the alley went under heavy racing loads. There were
reasonable gusts on the race track. Gybe on to the gust and hit the new
gybe aggressively and bang. Combine that with reasonable crew weight
that is dam slick and with a boat that weighs 118-kg and you have your
answer.
 
What did you and the other racers think of the boat? 


Posted By: Navy Blue
Date Posted: 11 Oct 05 at 9:05am

I thought the boats were OK, better than I expected in fact.  They have not been designed or marketed as a high performance boat, but rather as an affordable, 'stick a cover on and forget-about-it' club racer.  I think viewed in that way they are pretty good.  It is easy to see where compromises have been made, the boat is a bit heavy, a bit flexible and some of the components are a bit 'cheap', but that does mean that Topper can sell them for just over £5100 (I believe) which I am sure many potential owners will feel is a fair trade-off. 

There are many good aspects to the design too.  The cockpit is sufficiently deep to be comfortable. The sails were big enough to provide a few exciting moments in Saturday's gusting F4 conditions and the racing was as tight as any I have enjoyed for a long time.

The spinnaker pole is the sort of initial production problem that you would expect Topper to address.  I believe the Endeavour was the first time that the Xenons had been raced in any significant wind and at least 4 spinnaker poles snapped, which is not great, but there are very few SMODs that have not had to make small tweaks to the design after the initial launch.  If I was buying one I would ask when they were going to beef up the pole.

I can't compare to the Vision or Laser 2000 as I have not sailed them, but in summay, the Xenon seemed like a good deal.

 



Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 11 Oct 05 at 9:23am
I'd agree with Navy Blue on that. Although I would add that i think Topper
should also look at the jib cleats, as they were very difficult to get the
sheet out of as the fitting would flex a lot. Wihich caused a few people
some heart ache.

(oh and purely for idiots like us... a huge sticker that says remember to
put the bung in!)

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Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 11 Oct 05 at 6:14pm
Oh yes please, i left all mine at home the other day....

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Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 12:20am
Originally posted by Guest#260

Shame the field is so weak; No Estaugh, Pinnell, Carveth, Howarth ... no Fireball, 49er, RS800, RS400 and so on ...

 

 

Rick,

Thats very dismissive of those class representatives who won the right to go by actually winning their own Championship. While all those you list are great sailors, some of them didn't win a championship this year and it is after all the 'Champion of Champions' event not the 'best around at the time'.

As for it being a weak field - I doubt any of them are 'weak' and in any case part of the attraction of the event is the potential for an unexpected result. If you only invited the usual suspects from the supposed superior classes, that would never happen. For instance, the Cadets have won at least twice and I seem to recall that Geoff Carveth first won representing the (then) unfashionable Solo class.



Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 8:51am
Originally posted by Hector

Originally posted by Guest#260

Shame the field is so weak; No Estaugh, Pinnell, Carveth, Howarth ... no Fireball, 49er, RS800, RS400 and so on ...

Thats very dismissive of those class representatives who won the right to go by actually winning their own Championship....




Not to mention the fact that the above would certainly have been a very strong list 5-10 years ago, but times change... Quite possibly there are folk there who wiill be the equivalent of the above in this century. Also high performance specialists have never done well in the event, which is basically finds the quickest sailor in the kind of boat used in the list...



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