Safe to sail alone?
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Topic: Safe to sail alone?
Posted By: dohertpk
Subject: Safe to sail alone?
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 12:16am
I'm wondering how/if it is safe to sail alone, and what precautions I need to take if so. I've been sailing my Laser for about a year now, and I want to spend more time on the water now that the weather is improving. I sail in a sheltered harbour, and there are usually clubs out on any given day of the week. One of the other Laser sailors in my club does a lot of solo sailing, but he is far more experienced than I am. That said, I'm comfortable with my capsize drills. Apart from the obvious (ie. checking to make sure a cyclone isn't closing in), what precautions should I take, or is this totally inadvisable? I'd really appreciate your feedback!
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 2:36am
I don't sail alone because there are quite a number of single points of failure on my boats that would render me unable to get into safety if they failed.
If you think about a cruising situation you would ordinarily expect to have two forms of propulsion in the boat, say sails and engine, sails and oars, that sort of thing, so if the mast breaks you can still get home.
In a racing situation my second form of getting in is the club safety boat, or if say I'm sailing the boat over the the IOW for an event then I'll sail in company and the second form of getting in is my mates boat.
I think you've got to ask yourself what your means of getting in is if, say, you lost mast, rudder or centreboard, and to what extent are you prepared to trust your neck to it... If you want to just carry a paddle, say, could you paddle well enough to get back the beach before the ebb tide washes you out to sea?
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Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 8:25am
I've done quite a lot of sailing alone and whilst Jim's points are actually very sensible, like all things it life it is about the risk.
Sailing in a harbour usually means that there are plenty of other water users about. If you were to get in trouble, my general experience is that anyone will help if they see you are in trouble - so you just need to make sure you can signal in some way or have a HH VHF. For instance I've always been happy to sail alone in the Solent and any of the Solent harbours.
When younger my risk tolerance was perhaps a bit too high and I used to sometimes windsurf in v. remote locations with not a soul about in gale force winds. Even then I was managing risk, because I was always certain that if something broke, the wind/currents would take me to shore. I had to rely on the drift rescue technique twice so far, once due to broken mast and once due to a broken board.
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Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 8:34am
Always tell someone where you are going, what time you are leaving and what time you will be back. And if you are not back by that time to try and contact you. Take your mobile phone in a waterproof pouch.
Your backup person can then call for help if you don't turn up.
------------- Bonnie Lass Contender 1764
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 9:07am
I think it depends very much on the circumstances. When I was a teenager I used to sail my Mirror on my own in a bay in Cornwall in the summer. But I always had oars on board, and the bay was a popular mooring, so there were generally several moored boats around. Plus I only sailed with an onshore wind.
Now I sail from Eastbourne there are generally few, or no, other boats about off the shore when the club is closed, and I now sail a Laser and a Contender, neither of which has room for oars! And neither would be easy to get to shore if that little pin you never though of as being a risk failed and left you unable to make progress in the right direction. So I don't do it. If I did I'd certainly choose my conditions very carefully, onshore wind etc and take a phone in a bag, just in case.
------------- Peter
Ex Cont 707
Ex Laser 189635
DY 59
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Posted By: blueboy
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 1:16pm
What you want to think through is: how likely is it that X happens and what would be the result if it did? Breakages, capsizes you cannot recover and capsize followed by separation from the boat being the likeliest. Then, what could you do to mitigate the risk e.g. carry a small multitool and some line for lash-up repairs?
I used to climb and you got used to doing this quite systematically. How likely am I to fall here and if I did, what would happen? Do I therefore want to make this move or not? If my partner falls and injures himself, what I am able to do? You can't eliminate all risk but you can assess and manage it.
In small-boat solo sailing the main variables are the wind strength and direction, current and waves but also very much air and sea temperature. When it's cold, a bad situation gets worse very quickly whereas in late summer, if it all goes horribly wrong your chances are far better. At this time of year the water is still pretty cold.
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Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 1:23pm
Mobile phone, aqua pack, ernegency tenner, laser (little to go wrong if you're sensible (<BF4 on the shipping forecast for me)
It's a beach boat, sail inshore and do lots of little runs- or have a destination point if cruising further afield.
Enjoy it- more to life than racing and at least you have a boat NOT dedicated to racing with safety cover.
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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 3:20pm
Dinghy cruising is the use of sailing dinghies for purposes other than racing - which can be anything from coastal sailing to pottering in a sheltered lake.
The Dinghy Cruising Association does publish safety recommendations - none of which seem applicable to a Laser.
Sailing on your own does mean not relying on other people to get you out of trouble. This is much the same ethos as climbers, hill-walkers, single-handed sailors...
------------- Gordon
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 28 Apr 13 at 8:21pm
A sheltered harbour seems a pretty sensible place to start solo sailing, doesn't it? As time goes on, you'll get more experienced, learn to solve the problems that used to involve a rescue boat, what you need to carry (maybe put a hatch in the deck with a bag inside to store knife, multitool, etc - maybe even get a sail made with a zip in it so you can rig a halyard, reef even. Certainly get a Praddle, so you can paddle one handed when steering. Go play - maybe ensure that to begin with you have someone on the shore and stay in sight, and certainly always let someone know when you'll be back, and stick to it.
However, better yet is to find someone who wants to play too - it is more fun with 2 (or more), and safer.
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted By: PeterV
Date Posted: 29 Apr 13 at 12:30pm
I have sailed alone in a Laser many times. The most useful peice of kit is a spare short length of line tied to the back of the toestrap. It's often tied on kicker or mainsheet blocks if they come undone and once tied the gooseneck to the tack when the rivets failed, on each occasion allowing me to sail home quite happily. Best advice is to be sure of your own capability and always stay within it.
------------- PeterV
Finn K197, Finn GBR564, GK29
Warsash
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Posted By: RS400atC
Date Posted: 29 Apr 13 at 12:56pm
I used to sail alone, or just the two of us in a dinghy quite a bit.A time of my life that would not want to have missed. We used to go out wave jumping in an old 505 when racing was cancelled due to too much wind. There was a risk element, but chances of not hitting shore eventually from any point in the eastern solent are not too extreme. Then again, when I wasn't sailing I was usually going too fast on a motorbike in those days. These days, I would carry an Icom and a phone in an aquapac. And have a few key numbers like harbour offices in the phone memory. Also be aware that if you break something, you could be other a while, so another layer under the drysuit and/or don't forget the sun grease.
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Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 30 Apr 13 at 6:29am
For most pond sailors, sailing alone isn't an option due to club/landlord restrictions so consider yourself lucky to have the option and treat it with the respect and care others have suggested.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 30 Apr 13 at 8:16am
At Hunts you can sail whenever you like, alone or accompanied, even in the middle of the night should you wish. Our pit is about a kilometre square, so some risks are lessened - you can't drift far - but it's still not something I'd advocate unless you have someone on the bank keeping an eye out, or better still, a buddy on the water with you.
------------- the same, but different...
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Posted By: didlydon
Date Posted: 30 Apr 13 at 10:07am
I've sailed alone on quite a few occasions from Margate. But as mentioned before if you've got a like minded buddy it's loads more fun & safer too making passages along the coast. Assess the weather carefully & if it starts looking a bit black over Will's mothers, start making for shore. It's also important to be aware of the tide if the breeze is light, staying uptide of your launch site & being aware of when it'll change. Check your boat over carefully & an odd length of string can work wonders at holding stuff together. Mmmmm...... I must get an Aquapac for my phone or carry a VHF.... Importantly though..... HAVE FUN!
------------- Vareo 365
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 30 Apr 13 at 10:32am
swimming even 500m without touching anything, especially if tired (which you'll be if you're in difficulties), wearing full sailing kit, and especially if the water gets rough, is not easy- something that you need to take into account. "swim for shore" is not a good safety plan!
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Al
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 30 Apr 13 at 11:13pm
I'd add that a mobile phone signal can be hard to find at water level if you are disconnected from the boat....but there is nothing better for maximising time float and focussing on what you and you alone need to practice than being out alone.
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Posted By: ohFFsake
Date Posted: 01 May 13 at 1:02am
My advice would be to have a careful think about all the things that could go wrong and make plans for coping with the likely eventualities, then have a look at the forecast and as long as you don't have a bad feeling about it get out there and go for it. This isn't a rehearsal!
There's always something unexpected that can go wrong and make your day end badly, but the same applies to the drive home. Life isn't about eliminating risk, it's about mitigating it to an acceptable level and then, well accepting it and living!
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 02 May 13 at 11:56pm
Life is for living. The "should n't have been out there" brigade are part of the elf-n-safety mafia.
But google the first sentence of Swallows and Amazons too.
Know your capabilities. Be aware that the wind blowing off the land makes it look easier than it is and vice versa. Know what the tide is doing and when - flood is your friend, ebb less so.
If something on the boat looks dodgy, fix it first. Tell someone where you are going and when you should be back. Take a cheap phone in an Aquapak (with a SIM that gets a signal in the locality). Learn to paddle your laser in no wind and contrary tide (lie face down on foredeck, facing forwards, one leg each side of the mast, and 'swim' it. Far faster than a paddle. You only need to get to a mooring buoy or some land you can hold on to until things change for the better.
Make sure the rig is tied down to the boat and cannot fall out if the boat turtles. (a class rule actually, and very sensible too). And make sure the elastic is sufficiently tight that the plate cannot fall out either.
Keep a decent whistle on a lanyard in your buoyancy aid pocket. Also keep 3-4m of 2mm dyneema in a pocket too - to act as a spare if a rope breaks. Run another spare rope as a painter, from the bow loop, around the mast and back and tied off as another spare and tow-rope.
If you are really worried, fit the boat with a hatch cover and pouch and keep a flare in there (in a waterproof sandwich bag).
If something does go wrong (Murphy's Law), count to 10, don't panic, rationalise and act accordingly. Stay with the boat whatever you do. Don't panic is easier said than done, I know, when the wind is screaming, the boat bouncing on the waves, upside down, with the plate fallen out for example. Nevertheless.
If the toestraps break or you fall out, keep hold of the mainsheet and let go of the tiller. The boat may capsize but you won't get separated. Or break the extension.
Finally, Lasers are pigs until you know how to master them. Learn how to get the rig right and the chance of falling in fall dramatically.
------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 02 May 13 at 11:57pm
Sorry, dup posting deleted
------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here
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Posted By: dohertpk
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 12:07am
Dear all, Many many thanks for your responses. There's been a lot in there I wouldn't have considered without your input. A couple of key themes have emerged on the thread which I'll take to heart if I consider venturing out alone. I will certainly inform someone of when I'm leaving and intend to return, carry a mobile in an aquapack, and bring spare rope. Apart from anything else, I think staying inside the harbour and not venturing out into the bay is probably the most important thing I can do to minimise risk. Many thanks again; never fail to be impressed with people taking the time to respond on this forum.
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 6:59am
Originally posted by fab100
Life is for living. The "should n't have been out there" brigade are part of the elf-n-safety mafia.
But google the first sentence of Swallows and Amazons too. |
Hell yeah. My point about swimming was merely being non-dufferish. Go sail solo, but like you say, be sensible about it. Don't be that guy needing his foiling moth towed by the RNLI from the middle of the solent after someone else calls them in
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Al
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 8:33am
Originally posted by fab100
But google the first sentence of Swallows and Amazons too. |
[pedant]
What "Roger, aged seven, and no longer the youngest in the family..."?
Presumably you mean the famous telegram "BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WONT DROWN", but that's later on in the chapter...
[/pedant]
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 9:14am
Jim wins 
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Al
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 9:29am
I know this is a bit off topic but what is a "Duffers"? A google search says it's a person occupied in cattle raiding.
------------- Needs to sail more...
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 9:33am
A "duffer" for a start, Mr Gruitt. Not that I'm suggesting you're likely to drown, but you're one of the most duffrish-people I've ever met 
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Al
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 9:38am
Originally posted by tgruitt
what is a "Duffers"? |
In Australian slang a duffer is a cattle thief, but in the context here a duffer is someone who is incompetent/stupid.
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Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 9:54am
Originally posted by alstorer
Jim wins  |
Doh. Agreed. Well done Jim.
I've not read it for a while. Like 40+ years
------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 10:21am
Originally posted by fab100
I've not read it for a while. Like 40+ years. |
You should do: No-one should consider themselves too old to read a really great children's book (Wind in the Willows is another). An adult palate may grow out of liking Sunny Delight, but it shouldn't grow out of liking bread and honey...
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Posted By: pondmonkey
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 10:56am
Originally posted by JimC
Originally posted by tgruitt
what is a "Duffers"? |
In Australian slang a duffer is a cattle thief, but in the context here a duffer is someone who is incompetent/stupid. |
casting for roles... form an orderly queue behind Graeme and I.
As for swallows and amazons, I never read it. I tried it once as a kid, but I preferred Roald Dahl
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 11:30am
We'll be taking boats to Windermere in the summer to play at Swallows and Amazons - something I've wanted to do since I was a kid, but never got around to. Will certainly be sailing solo whilst the rest of the family goes horse riding. Lacking a clinker built lugsail boat, so the Mirror will have to do. Bet if the book had been written in 69, not 29, that is what they'd have been in. Something Rotomoulded if written in 2009?
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted By: dohertpk
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 11:48am
'Better drowned than duffers...' I managed to sneak that in as the epigraph to the third chapter of my doctoral thesis
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Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by Rupert
We'll be taking boats to Windermere in the summer to play at Swallows and Amazons - something I've wanted to do since I was a kid, but never got around to. Will certainly be sailing solo whilst the rest of the family goes horse riding. Lacking a clinker built lugsail boat, so the Mirror will have to do. Bet if the book had been written in 69, not 29, that is what they'd have been in. Something Rotomoulded if written in 2009?
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I hope you are also planning a trip to Peel Island (Wildcat Island) on Coniston too.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by JohnW
Originally posted by Rupert
We'll be taking boats to Windermere in the summer to play at Swallows and Amazons - something I've wanted to do since I was a kid, but never got around to. Will certainly be sailing solo whilst the rest of the family goes horse riding. Lacking a clinker built lugsail boat, so the Mirror will have to do. Bet if the book had been written in 69, not 29, that is what they'd have been in. Something Rotomoulded if written in 2009?
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I hope you are also planning a trip to Peel Island (Wildcat Island) on Coniston too.
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Sure am!
------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted By: SoggyBadger
Date Posted: 03 May 13 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by Rupert
We'll be taking boats to Windermere in the summer to play at Swallows and Amazons - something I've wanted to do since I was a kid, but never got around to. Will certainly be sailing solo whilst the rest of the family goes horse riding. Lacking a clinker built lugsail boat, so the Mirror will have to do. Bet if the book had been written in 69, not 29, that is what they'd have been in. Something Rotomoulded if written in 2009?
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I've sailed on Windermere in my youth (actually learned to sail there). No idea what boat they'd be sailing in a modern version but hopefully not a piece of plastic sh*te. I somehow doubt anyone would call their daughter Titty these days either 
------------- Best wishes from deep in the woods
SB
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