Where are all the RS300s?
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Topic: Where are all the RS300s?
Posted By: jimbo_rs300
Subject: Where are all the RS300s?
Date Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 8:13pm
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After the success of a popular 2005 Open Circuit and a bumper Nationals turnout (29 boats) it seems as if demand is significantly outstripping supply for the RS300. None have been seen in the Classifieds of Y&Y and other Dinghy Marts for a few months now. LDC have been building new batches, however these have very quickly sold leaving a complete void of secondhand boats. Does anyone know of an RS300 at their club which is under-used etc. as the owner may not be aware that they can get a good price for their 300 given current market conditions. The http://www.rs-association.com/ - RS association and http://www.rs300.com - RS300.com are both recieving enquiries from people interested in buying 300s who simply cannot find one. ------------------------------------------------------------ - http://www.rs300.com"> James |
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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 8:37pm
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Yeah cause i might want 1 2! ------------- 
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 8:37pm
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As a mothie I have some problems with the tag 'The ultimate hiking
singlehander' plastered all over the website but the stats speak for
themselves... the class is obviously flourishing and good luck to it.
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 9:27pm
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None of those links appear to be working..... ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: Ben352
Date Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 10:28pm
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Calum, r u thinking of getting an RS300, maybe you can persuade your dad! There was 2 father and son teams at the Nationals...cheers Ben Chanonry SC, RS352
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Posted By: jimbo_rs300
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 10:47am
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Hmm...the links should work, they bring up the sites when I click on them.... There was a 300 listed in BoatsandOutboards.co.uk about a week ago, but it sold within a few days. The guy said he was inundated with enquiries..... James 333 |
Posted By: Johannes
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 12:20pm
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Yes, they are very hard to get hold of. I was interested for a while but gave up. Bought myself a 5o5 last week. Weeeeeeeeeeeeee.
I will never go slow again. :-) |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 12:48pm
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Although it does say one-design as well. I recently wrote a piece for our club newsletter inviting all to have a go in a Contender with the Tag-line 'The Ultimate Singlehander' (which the Contender association has used for years) and managed to really upset the local Canoe sailor which I find hysterical. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 12:48pm
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So what happened here then? No RS 300s at my club and the only one ever bought by a club member sat unused and unloved in the boat park for at least a couple of years with a "for sale" tag on the notice board. Gone now ....... ...likewise an EPS that had gone green and slimy ... are they coming back too???!!! |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 12:50pm
One has arrived at my club with a fairly keen sailor not far behind it  ... RS300 that is.------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: John Wilson
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 1:48pm
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Hi Calum, Gd to see you're looking for a 300. Are you def going for a 300 rather than the laser you talked about over summer? Are you going for an A or B rig? The weight cut off (which i'm almost certain is being scrapped) is 73kg. You should get Gordon & your dad to get 300s too, so you can have a fleet of 3 at largo! Then 5 over summer! If you (or Gordon or your dad) want to try before you buy you should give me a call & i'll c what I can do... |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 2:40pm
Actualy, most of the website doesnt mention one design in the slogans. Im not too bothered as its only a matter of opinion, jsut thought id mention it ------------- |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 7:43pm
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John,
Erm yeah im think in of going for it cause it would be more exciting sailing for largo where im not gona get much competition in a laser (due to the lack of them). Still not 100% sure what im gona do and still need to totally convince dad the 300's a good idea but im getting there. As for him gettin 1 he still might. G McG is think'n of a 600! -------------
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 8:34pm
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If your thinking about a 300 Calum, have you considered the moth too?
Chances are, being 17 you'd be a better weight for a moth than a 300
and theres a few decent boats on the second hand market right now
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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 8:36pm
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Well i am big for a 17 year old! Thats what crewing a 400 since u were 12 does! Though i shld consider 1 cause there nationals are at my club nxt season! Just a bit mental to rele get to grips with helming in! -------------
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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 10:03am
This will be news to anyone sailing a 300. As far I am aware tyhe A rig is not being scrapped, in fact ways are being considered how to promote the A rig - mainly targeting younger sailors. You should look on the RS300 web site under the polls section just to see what the weight range is and how competaive the boat is accross the whole weight range.
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Posted By: ed490
Date Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 10:09am
| No, I think that what John said is right. The A rig is not being scrapped but they're thinking of ditching the weight cut-offs to let people sail whichever they want regardless of weight. There was no weighing in at the nationals last year or the year before ( I wasn't there this year) |
Posted By: jimbo_rs300
Date Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 11:46am
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Thats right, there was no weigh in at this years nats either. The discussion concerned scrapping the weight limit so people can sail whichever rig they feel comfortable with. Theres quite a good range of weights sailing the boat and still being competitive, it was shown in a recent survey here: http://rs300.com/Features/surveys.htm - http://rs300.com/Features/surveys.htm
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Posted By: Ben352
Date Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 12:18pm
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Ian Baillie has heard from Riki at LDC that they have an A-Rig 300 for sale, number 378 and that there are 3 new boats still available from the next batch due to be started this month. Ben Rs352 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 12:28pm
Trouble is if you do that everyone needs two rigs - a big one for the light and a small one for the breezy days. Its just that the cut off point will vary. Better to abandon the small rig I would have thought. |
Posted By: jimbo_rs300
Date Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 12:59pm
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This is just a rules change being talked about at the moment, I believe that there would be a rule governing this as well to ensure the 'one design' principle remained. Something in the way of whichever rig you had competed in for previous events you would be forced to continue using for the rest of the year (at events). This would prevent chopping and changing..... |
Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 4:32pm
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The B rig has reefing points so no need to swap rigs on breezy days. |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 06 Oct 05 at 7:54pm
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There are rules regarding how many times you can swap rigs- once in a season if I remember right, specifically to stop people having to buy two rigs. Abandoning the small rig would be a shame, as it really widens the range of weights that can sail the boat, and makes it much easier to sail, if you use the small rig. In the early days of the class, a few husband and wife teams bought one boat and two rigs! ------------- |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 06 Oct 05 at 11:50pm
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Given how well the boat coped with a force 5 wind and 15 foot waves at Filey I'd say this isn't true; although I'm at the heavier end of the fleet (92Kgs), even in a F5, upwind I was still a fair way from needing full kicker to keep it flat and was nicely powered up with stacks of boatspeed. The fact that someone 20kg lighter than me was sailing the same angles at the same speed in those conditions speaks volumes for the boat. Especially as we had similar boatspeed downwind too. Right now I struggle to think of a better one design singlehander. Awesome. ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
Posted By: John Wilson
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 7:27pm
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Sorry about causing confusion, the A rig certainly is not getting scrapped; it is the weight limitations for the A & B rig that hopefully will disappear, leaving everyone free to choose either size of rig (but not swap about). This has the bonus of allowing me to stop eating pies just to stay above the weight threshold for the B rig. As after a winter at uni I come above the weight range comfortably (beers, pies & team racing) but after a summer of sailing I generally am cutting it very fine. As mentioned already the A rig is doing very well just now. Alistair Wood showed off the speed of the rig at the nationals this year, coming 4th in the first race; after sitting in 2nd round the windward mark (ahead of Cockerill et al). Oh & Calum u have to get a 300, they're brilliant! And you're probably heavier & you're def taller than me, so you'll have no problem in the 300. I'm sure McG can be convinced too.... |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 07 Oct 05 at 10:42pm
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problem is, as much as id like one, a 600 is a much cheaper alternative... ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 08 Oct 05 at 9:10pm
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Yeah i a probably am john but ur a lot better than me! -------------
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 6:50pm
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If anyone's still after an RS300 - there's one half hidden in a hedge at my club (following earlier posting, I tracked it down). As far as I know, it was sailed for a season, or maybe two, before the owner decided it wasn't a "nice stable little boat" after all (and bought an RS800, I think, instead). Whatever, if anyone's interested, I could probably find out who owns it and put them in touch. |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 8:23pm
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NickA - if you get the details and can forward them to either myself or Jimbo_rs300 we'll get the details circulated and someone will buy the boat. They're like rockinghorse droppings at the moment!
Interestingly enough, today, I lent mine to one of the many people at my club chuntering about its handicap. He retired after forty minutes and nine downwind capsizes and conceded that the handicap was probably fair and it's a lot harder to sail quickly than he thought, before getting back in is ISO. ------------- Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. |
Posted By: jimbo_rs300
Date Posted: 09 Oct 05 at 9:24pm
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Yeah thats right, I can easily add the details to the website if the owner decides they would like to sell. Should go quite quickly..... If the owner would like to send the details to me to add to the site just get him to mail the details to me online here: http://www.rs300.com/contact.htm - http://www.rs300.com/contact.htm Cheers James
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 10 Oct 05 at 12:09pm
| I'll see what I can find out about it. PS: it's red. |
Posted By: Pesmo
Date Posted: 10 Oct 05 at 10:00pm
Those videos on RS300.com are really great and show that the boat can be sailed in challenging conditions. They certainly show how exciting the boat can be. Good demonstrations of technique as well 
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Posted By: jimbo_rs300
Date Posted: 11 Oct 05 at 1:34pm
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Some 300s have now come up for sale on RS300.com. http://www.rs300.com - www.rs300.com http://www.rs300.com/Features/boatsforsale.htm - http://www.rs300.com/Features/boatsforsale.htm
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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 11 Oct 05 at 4:29pm
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Jimbo, Looking at the association web site Ian Smith is selling a 200 and in the ad states he's after a 300. Also Chris Smith is looking for a 300. Why not have a wanted page on rs300.com? |
Posted By: John Wilson
Date Posted: 12 Oct 05 at 3:32pm
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I'm not so sure Calum; u were always hot on my heels when we did a bit of laser training at largo a couple of summers back. Although, to be fair, a laser is not a 300 - it may take you a season or so to get into it but i'm sure you'll be fast once over the initial wobbling that everyone gets in their first month or so in the boat. The first season is such a learning curve - it's a boat that rewards trying things & learning from the results. You can't help but become a better sailor sailng a 300... |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 12 Oct 05 at 5:17pm
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lol if you say so John! Having Trouble persuading dad that its a good idea though! I thought I had but he appears to be trying to find a laser again. -------------
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Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 13 Oct 05 at 3:32pm
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There's a for sale section on the main RS web site, so to put it on the 300 site would duplicate the effort. Maybe a link would be more appropriate? ------------- |
Posted By: jamesint505
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 6:20pm
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Whats the maximum weight you could be competetive in one of these mean machines.I currently sail a contender and am a bit heavy for that at 6ft5in and 17stone.would love a finn but a bit on the expensive side to be competetive and a phantom doesnt really appeal.Dont get me wrong I love the contender but its a bit frustrating when sailing in less than 8-10 knots as I end up getting caught by the slow fleet!!!!it great when its breezy but its a bit all or nothing. ------------- 505 7567 |
Posted By: jimbo_rs300
Date Posted: 14 Oct 05 at 9:07pm
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I'll put a link to the Association wanted page. RE weight as the Fizzicist said:
There are some good stats regarding weight etc on the http://www.rs300.com - RS300.com surveys section , I think you'd be surprised as to the versatility of the boat. Theres a great spread of both weights and ages. My dad and I both sail 300s and although hes a good 25 kgs heavier than me we are always swapping places. At the nationals we finished 1 place and 1 point apart. However what is perhaps even more astonishing is that a guy sailing an A-Rig and half his weight (yes half!) finished straight behind him, by 1 point. Speaks alot for the boat, especially given how breezy it was......
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Posted By: Pabs
Date Posted: 18 Oct 05 at 10:34am
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Yeah I second that me and Greg have a wait difference of 20kg and finished 5/6th at the inlands and both on the same points. Just shows how the boat can be sailed by such a varied weight range. |
Posted By: Pabs
Date Posted: 26 Oct 05 at 10:20am
| NickA did you have any luck finding the owner of the red 300????????????? |
Posted By: Pesmo
Date Posted: 26 Oct 05 at 10:33am
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This is an interesting situation. I had a conversation with a guy in Turkey last week who like me was on a sailing holiday. He had also been trying to find a 300 at the end of last year and couldn't find one. His budget didn't reach to a new boat. He wasn't aware of the 300 specific website so I gave him the address so he could look on there. |
Posted By: iansmithofotley
Date Posted: 26 Oct 05 at 11:22am
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Hi everyone, I don't know if the boat is still for sale but there is still one advertised on the Apollo Duck site, it was posted in May: http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/listings.phtml?cid=113&sort=0&next=10 - http://sailingdinghies.apolloduck.co.uk/listings.phtml?cid=1 13&sort=0&next=10 Ian (Yorkshire Dales S.C.) |
Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 26 Oct 05 at 8:25pm
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I'm pretty sure that's sold now Ian - One of Phil's flotilla which he sold to fund something else (49er I think!) and then he promptly bought 313 and another one! LDC have a couple of new one's both available - the thought of selling mine and buying a new one has crossed my mind more than once, but the concept of my fiancee discovering such an act only months before our wedding has put me off the idea! Perhaps later in the year! ;)
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 02 Nov 05 at 2:23pm
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Sorry folks, too much decorating, crap weather and running kids to regattas has kept me from the boat park. I'll have a look at the weekend. |