Xenon
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: Xenon
Posted By: moontime
Subject: Xenon
Date Posted: 26 Sep 05 at 8:16pm
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Has anyone seen the review of xenon in Y&Y, sailed one, taken one home from the boat show , have any decent photos you could pass on. Also has anyone got any views on the xenon, looking to spend some pennys also looking at Laser2000 and some RS boats
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Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 27 Sep 05 at 8:59am
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Saw the review, sailed one at Datchett, thought it was a great boat, ordered one, and awaiting it's delivery in two weeks - can't wait!
Have sailed the other two and thought the L2K a little tame (Xenon has 30% more sail area) and hate the Vision - had bad experiences with fittings pulling out of under-engineered sections.
Here is an excellent forum dedicated to the Xenon with some piccies: http://www.andrewcoombes.name/sailing/ - http://www.andrewcoombes.name/sailing/
Paul
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Posted By: Martin W
Date Posted: 27 Sep 05 at 11:31am
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We saw the Xenon at the London Boat Show and took delivery in June, replacing our old Kestrel. We are very pleased so far, the assymetric is just so much easier to get on with than the symetric spinnaker. The Xenon seems reasonably stable and our 9 year old thinks it makes a fantastic family boat, (he didn't like the Kestrel -it was set up for racing, and a bit congested with three in it) whilst we find it good to race in the club handicap races (sailing of PW1035). Its taken us a while to get the hang of role tacking it effectively, but we are getting there now. It doesn't seem as quick as the Kestrel in very light stuff, but when we get a bit of wind we quickly catch up. All in all it has been a good purchase for us, but we are hoping that there might be some open meetings next year so we can sail against and meet other Xenon owners.
------------- Martin |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 27 Sep 05 at 2:46pm
| 2 positive reviews in a row of a plastic boat on the Y&Y forum...wonders will never cease! Maybe Topper have done a decent boat? |
Posted By: arcoombes
Date Posted: 27 Sep 05 at 7:45pm
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Saw it at the dinghy show, delivery in June, loved every minute in it
since. Very responsive, lots of room, nice and stable. So good I started a forum (see Marine Boy's post above). Certainly echo Martin's wish for an open meeting, be a blast. |
Posted By: moontime
Date Posted: 27 Sep 05 at 7:46pm
| thanks all , anyone in yorkshire or staffordshire to have a look |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 2:49pm
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Check out the other threads on this forum on this subject.
I'm also trying to choose between L2000, Vision and Xenon Any feedback appreciated. Phil ------------- |
Posted By: IanW
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 3:55pm
| Check the Daily Sail out for another review I like the comment it looks like an RS400 with national 12 sails! |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 3:56pm
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Daily Sail? ------------- |
Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 4:07pm
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http://www.thedailysail.com - www.thedailysail.com . Subscription-only sailing news website. Don't know if I should mention it here The man from Topper he say "the bigger you go with the plastic boats the lighter they get proportionally to glass boats, so this hull is now 118kg" |
Shurely shome mishtake, or if not mishtake contradiction... Apparently the GRP prototype weighed 25kg more than that - about the same as a 1970s GP14! Plus ca change...Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 4:09pm
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Umm, £25 for a website? Is it worth it? What do they say about the Xenon?
Do they like it? ------------- |
Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 6:01pm
Apart from the fact that the Xenon has 95% of the sail area of an RS400 and three times that of a N12 it's a spitting image...
Can't wait to try hiding it in a N12 race
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 6:10pm
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Pay your £25 and you will find out - I think the Daily Sail is worth £25 / year and complements this site well. Rick ------------- |
Posted By: moontime
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 8:03pm
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£25 quid for one report I don;tthink so (SORRY) think I will wait and hope to get some feed back from the Endeavour guys Topper seem not to be advertisiing the boat over much, try and find any photo's as rare as rocking horse! |
Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 8:12pm
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Not worth the money. I've had a look and the report is poor and
inconclusive. The boat was only tested in very light winds, which can't give a full picture of its capabilities. ------------- |
Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 8:13pm
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Some rare pics of the elusive National 12's...
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Posted By: Philsy
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 8:18pm
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Umm, this morning I'd decided a Vision was the boat for me. After reading
about the Xenon again, I feel I'm swaying towards one of those once more...  ------------- |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 8:49pm
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Reading the daily sail I really like the comment "... "There is no doubt that the Xenon is not really a boat designed for out and out racers ..." Good choice for the endeavour then! ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 9:50pm
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I see where they got the national 12 comment from, the main is quite a
similar shapeI guess, but it would dwarf a 12 completely...
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Posted By: Marine Boy
Date Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 10:32pm
You are assuming of course, that the guy who ran the review is an authority on out and out racers not just an amazing judge of scale...
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 30 Sep 05 at 10:14am
| The Enterprise did well enough as the Endevour boat, and that wasn't an out and out racer either. The point is to have a boat which people from classes as far apart as Toppers and 49ers can jump into with minimal practice and race on as even a playing field as possible. An out and out racer (such as the 400) isn't going to achieve this. So yes, good choice for the Endevour, without the sarcasm! |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 30 Sep 05 at 1:58pm
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There is 1 (maybe 2) at Scaling Dam and they do indeed look a bit RS400y and the sail plan looks a little 12y (if you squint) because it's so high aspect. It seems to go fairly well but there is definitely a washing-up bowlness about the material it's moulded in. Scaling seems to embrace change (despite being a little isolated) and there are several 'plastic' boats to be seen. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |
Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 30 Sep 05 at 2:00pm
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[QUOTE=Rupert]The Enterprise did well enough as the Endevour boat, and that wasn't an out and out racer either [QUOTE] You're joking right? no-one sails Enterprises 'for fun' do they? I thought the only reason the class survives at all is because they're fun to race and theres lots of them. ------------- Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36 |