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    Posted: 06 Dec 05 at 10:44pm

Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

In My opinion they should scrap both boats and go with the 4K!! Its much faster and requires a much better sailor to sail it well!

Ahh yes.....get rid of both the 29er and 420, and replace it with a boat that is highly suitable for two youngsters to carry up a slip way, which is full of lead, and racks that require a leap of faith in order to get on to.

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Originally posted by boatshed

I raised this point in order to chose between two "youth" boats - not discuss Scorpions, L4000 etc !  Both the 420 & 29er  are part of the RYA Youth Programme.  Also, the 29er is now the ISAF class for the 2007 & 8 worlds and the adopted youth class in Germany.

If you were 16 ( I wish) and wanted to follow a prescribed training programme in the UK, which boat would it be ?

Jim C gave the clearest answer but if the 29er becomes the ISAFyouth boat, will the very great, current  appeal of the 420, along with its following quickly fade or will this class become the Girls youth class ?

I believe their should be some guidance on this matter as it is the parents who pay. 

Just ask your kid(s) what he/she wants ... if you get the boat that is recommended but you child wants the other then they will drift away from the sport ...

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I sail a 29er and prefer it to the 420, but there is no better boat at. And for anyone who hasn't ever raced a 29er in a big compeition and says its not as tactical as a 420 then you dont know what you are talking about. The 29er is tactical, at the top level like any class all then boats go the same speed and you dont just ring the bell every beat like alot of people think you do. The 29er is also very tactical downwind and it opens up a whole new level of gains and losses. Someone also said that the 420 was cheaper?!?! That is not true, a 29er costs £5500, including everything to sail, thats it. Compared to the 420 which i know that the top guys pay more than that for everything needed to sail. The sails on a 29er last at least 4 weeks long regattas, wheras a 420 jib goes in a week along with the kite. The 29er has a really large competitive weight range from about 100-145kgs, especially at the worlds last year but they were in San Fran were we had crews of 160kgs in gold fleet and us who were 130kgs and in 25knots we could go the same speed. Its all personal preferance and which boat you want to sail and not which boat is right to sail. The RYA has always pushed people from junior classes into 420s but now its not the isaf boat (or not in 07 or 08) there pushing kids in the 29er.

I picked the 29er because i wanted to go into 49ers after and for some reason i really do not like 420s at all. I think im also a speed freak because going out in 25-30knots in a 29er a ripping upwind and downwind is awsome.

The RYA screwed up by dropping the 405 because now youngsters are supposed to jump from a oppy to a 29er and they are completly different. I use to sail a 405 and there awsome boats when your young, and 3 out of the 4 GBR 29ers in the Gold Fleet at the Worlds came out of 405, and the top 2 male 29ers in the UK now are also ex 405 sailors which has to say something when they have tiny fleets. anyway my thoughts

oh and laser 4ks are not quicker than 29ers lol



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Originally posted by boatshed

Jim C gave the clearest answer but if the 29er becomes the ISAFyouth boat, will the very great, current  appeal of the 420, along with its following quickly fade or will this class become the Girls youth class ?


For the forseeable future the Youth worlds boat will swap between 420 and 29er at regular intervals. The reason is that the choice of boat is defined by what they can get a manufacturer to supply. So when the event is in European mainland it will probably be 420s, when its in USA/Australia probably 29ers and so on.
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I would say thet if you're jumping straight from Oppy to 29er then What are you doing sailing an Oppy at that age? The Topper/29er jump seems to present no major problems to plenty of good sailors, girls and blokes, where I sail.

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Originally posted by Skiffman

The sails on a 29er last at least 4 weeks long regattas, wheras a 420 jib goes in a week along with the kite.

Surely no sail maker is putting their name to a sail which will last only a week?

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Originally posted by Ian S

Surely no sail maker is putting their name to a sail which will last only a week?


The sailmaker probably will say it lasts longer, but will hope that the sailors will continue to believe it doesn't.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 05 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by Ian S

Originally posted by Skiffman

The sails on a 29er last at least 4 weeks long regattas, wheras a 420 jib goes in a week along with the kite.

Surely no sail maker is putting their name to a sail which will last only a week?

It all depends on what you call "last" I would expect the sails of both classes to last much longer than the above - thankfully the days of the 2oz jib are gone ...

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Originally posted by Guest#260

It all depends on what you call "last" I would expect the sails of both classes to last much longer than the above - thankfully the days of the 2oz jib are gone ...

Rick

I have never heard of a sail which remains the same through a 4week regatta, but thats not the same a 'lasts'. We all expect plenty from our sails, and while Ive never used them (the boats that is), I wouldn't expect 29er sailors to be any different. Would make a good new thread, this subject.

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Originally posted by Guest#260

It all depends on what you call "last" I would expect the sails of both classes to last much longer than the above - thankfully the days of the 2oz jib are gone ...

Rick

I have never heard of a sail which remains the same through a 4week regatta, but thats not the same a 'lasts'. We all expect plenty from our sails, and while Ive never used them (the boats that is), I wouldn't expect 29er sailors to be any different. Would make a good new thread, this subject.

A fully battened mylar sail will hold it's shape for ages ...

I'd happly enter a major event with a sail with 4 weeks use.

The difference is usually the helm anyway ...

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