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    Posted: 07 Oct 14 at 5:33pm
Its a bit odd - they go well upwind and can run dead downwind (like a little Finn) but, unlike the Finn, seem to suffer in handicap racing ?

Generally any boat that goes well upwind (i.e can do well to the first mark) is at an advantage in handicap sailing ?

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According to their forum, they get owned by Lasers on the reach. I presume that's in fast-displacement and planing conditions.  I'd have thought in lighter stuff they should be alright - decent sail area and rocker.
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There is an interesting article in the latest Solo class mag "Solo specific" by Jim Hunt about how more technical he found the OK was compared to the Solo and how he reckoned he improved his Solo sailing by applying some of the things he learned.
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I have a soft spot for OKs, but I do wonder whether as a class they have become overly fixated with PY much like our resident iGRF?

Its clear that many of those frequenting the OK forum just haven't understood how PY works even when its been explained to them by Bas Edmonds and like our own broken record they keep harping on about being shafted by the system, when in fact they just aren't using the system as meant at their home clubs.

I also wonder whether they are being sailed at venues where they have a fair chance? Now looking at where they are sailed, you can probably rule this question out, as they seem to present a good mix of sea and inland venues, however are these venues in isolation very good venues for the main classes sailed at them? As the OK isn't a huge fleet I'd say its unlikely that they are the dominant class at any club and I wonder if by some stroke of really bad luck there is a class on the sea venues that hits them hard and will always do so, and inland there is a different class predominantly sailed which also hurts them? If by some equally good stroke of luck you found an inland club without the particular predominant class that normally whoops them, then would they rise to the top?
One other point on sailing locations, is that OKs do seem to get sailed at venues where the overall fleet quality is pretty good. This I suspect has a huge effect. I have sailed at clubs where there are a good 20-30 teams all capable of being in the top 20 at a nationals, while at other clubs the whole standard is significantly lower with only 2 or 3 teams capable of attaining the same standard. If the OKs are all in the former you will get a different resulting PY than if they were all in the latter.

I think the OK guys would do well to have the talks with their club sailing secretarys or whoever it is who sets their PYs, but they also need to consider whether they want to race the boat they love, or whether they want to go on a pot hunt. I suspect most actually want to carry on sailing the boat they love and for that the development plan is the key and not the PY guff.
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Y'know, you guys could start another thread if this one's not to your liking.

It might require a bit of imagination mind.

Just sayin'
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Craiggo, I doubt they have become 'fixated' but when something is wrong, totally f**ked up, it gets noticed, what I don't get, other than an assumption you're all right jack and to hell with anyone else, is why no more folk complain.

It doesn't work, it needs fixing, it wouldn't be difficult to fix, but continuing to let the poor souls act like ostriches is not the answer, now and again an ostrich needs a bloody good kick up its arse to get it to go bury its head somewhere else.
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Originally posted by craiggo

I have a soft spot for OKs, but I do wonder whether as a class they have become overly fixated with PY much like our resident iGRF?

With respect, I think we're reading a little more into it.  Name me one class whose forum or Facebook group wouldn't mention PY if the class got a reduction in the annual release?

I would actually suggest, that given there are small fleets of OKs around the country racing 'properly', they are actually less fixated on PY than many other classes.  


EDIT: I do agree that reading that thread shows a great deal of misunderstanding about how PY actually works, but that goes to show that there's clearly an issue with communication - something the RYA must accept given they are making resources available to discuss PY at grass roots level.


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Originally posted by kneewrecker



I do agree that reading that thread shows a great deal of misunderstanding about how PY actually works, but that goes to show that there's clearly an issue with communication - something the RYA must accept given they are making resources available to discuss PY at grass roots level.



I don't think it's misunderstanding, I think it is either through apathy or though lack of political will or through the example of what we have at redoubt where they do apply the recommended process and have a worse situation and the total feeling of despair that you can't change the way 'they' go about the system.

If you are an OK class sailor who travels to open meetings most of the year, how can you effect the Solo Streaker situation for example that you might wish to race against at your home club in your off season?

Since when are those two boats in any way similar? For years they've raced at different handicaps, both boats have been improved with lipstick to similar measure, but fundamentally the dimensions and measurements have not changed. Yet they now race off the same handicap. One with its 8 mtr sail the other with its 6.5 mtr sail, the one 3.78 the other 3.88, yet the 10 points that used to separate them gone, presumably to the same place the 10 points the OK lost and the 10 points the Laser gained. All boats that have had no significant alteration, the only thing that has changed is the way the system is gerrymandered either by a f**ked up computer, a disinterested oversight committee, or a combination of both squared by RYA apathy.


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Forgive me, i may be wrong, but i thought the Streaker always had a similar PY to the solo?  Lets not forget the streaker weighs in at 48kg  and the solo 70kg which will have a bearing on performance
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