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    Posted: 25 Jun 13 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by iGRF


Simply put it's because the sport is marketed to newcomers by its incumbents and they want the new folk to sail what they sail.

It's because the industry never had a structure that supported marketing in the modern day sense of the word, that and the cottage industry nature that never really got stamped on by anyone.

So even if a wonder product did happen along, where could you secure orders large enough to make it viable from your network of dinghy sales agencies? No, because there was never a big enough profit margin for such a network to become established, so we are left with the infernal class structure within which it is generally in everyones parsimonious interest for nothing much to happen so their investment is never challenged, until of course it's too late and the class dies.

The only reasonably successful sales model is a dinghy retailer gone vertical, but their model is such that programmed obsolescence was not considered and their designs were pretty much re workings of traditional designs.
 


....ah so near, yet (as often) so far.... you know I re-read this and the subsequent podium-hammering ranting stuff as well, and there are grains of truth in here, but so much chaff too IMO.

The reason 'something very different' has not yet "taken off mainstream" is because there is a flourishing 'fringe' in UK dinghy sailing, such that doesn't exist elsewhere except perhaps in one other area, Aust/NZ.  I'd argue that there have actually been some pretty bl**dy awesome product intro's, great innovations and frankly, wacky off-the-wall OMG that actually works stuff at times in the last 20yrs or so, even more if you stretch back further; twin pole systems, jib sticks like N12's and Ent's have now, kite chutes on cats, cartridge rudders, assymetric kites, gybing poles, pump systems, raking rigs, t-foils, hydro-foils, foil-wands, FRP, epoxy fillets etc.. etc..

Yes, completely agree that today, most of the 'marketing' is done by incumbents towards newbies and very much aimed at the 'join in' rather than 'do this, it looks cool' mentality.

Yes, the cliquey (spelling sorry!) nature of the 'industry' and bit-party nature of the club structure doesn't lend itself to mass marketing, or mass-appeal.

BUT, BUT, BUT... if the "wonder product" comes along then yes, you would secure orders and, managed sensibly, make enough margin to see it as a) viable and b) attractive in a wider sense.

The bicycle had been 'done' in every way imaginable, until some Californian's came up with MTB.

Who the heck would have believed in 1974 that Triathlon would be a multi-gazillion dollar industry by the 2000's?

Did anyone honestly see the MAMIL and mega-balloon in cycling in UK coming say 10, or perhaps 15 yrs ago?

If the next big thing comes, we'll buy it.  Sailing is fun.  We are an island surrounded by some absolutely great sailing waters.  There's lots of us.  We still have, comparatively speaking, a bit of excess cash to spend when we want to find it.  To me, at least, it's not aspirational to sit indoors watching nice weather go by through the window.
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Originally posted by craiggo

 Perhaps we should all just sit at home and watch crap on TV while eating take away pizza.

What's wrong with that? That's phantom training that is
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Originally posted by craiggo

Perhaps we should all just sit at home and watch crap on TV while eating take away pizza.


That is my 2nd favorite hobby after sailing. And that is a fact... At least at this moment in time. I might change my mind, but it still remains a fact for right now, not an opinion.
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There's a few iGRF wiki posts there!

I understand the general sentiment, but what your suggesting is a dumbing down of sailing. While that's good for encouraging participation, it doesn't help with skills, knowledge, and understanding. If people can't be bothered to spend the time understanding the principles and the basic physics, then they may as well go and race rowing boats or is that to difficult to. Perhaps we should all just sit at home and watch crap on TV while eating take away pizza.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jun 13 at 6:42pm
Can't fault your last point- I'd move club if i felt the mix of boat and people would serve me better... no question. I guess I wouldn't have to consider slower though, not now I'm soloing!

Edited by yellowwelly - 25 Jun 13 at 6:42pm
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It's largely the age-old compromise of level racing vs sailing whatever boat you prefer.
And the way that slow heavy boats keep the racing tighter, because one lucky gust or good move does not get you away fom the pack. For this reason, people come back to racing keelboats. If you watch a few Squib races, you will often see very close finishes after an hour of racing.
A fast dinghy is a compromise between this and the fun of sailing fast.

In the slower classes, you often get some very experienced older people who will give you a good race.
But we are also seing people sailing trapeze boats into their 60's.

I come back to the idea of choosing a boat on the basis of who sails what, and who do I most want to race against?
If a slower or faster boat than the 400 offered me more of the right kind of people to race against (in the right place at the right time), I'd consider moving either way.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Here's another one.. 'Anyone who sails a Solo has given up on their dreams.' Fact.

or alternatively, has just woken the f*ck up  Wink
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Originally posted by iGRF

My opinions are fact

                                      ........... to me.

I am sure there is a medical name for your stance on this ... 

You are of course welcome to your opinions but you should really present them as that; facts on the other hand need backing up ...

Have a read of this 


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My opinions are fact

                                      ........... to me.
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Agreed ... Solo Fact true is yoda grf...  LOL
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