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mothball ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 13 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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If you're going to get a single hander it's got to be a moth! If you
were thinking of a 700 you'll be good enough! I'm about 50kg myself.
Also, being a female mothie is cool - there's only 2 of us in the UK
atm. You can adjust the rig easily so you're not overpowered!
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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You would certainly not be overweight at 11 stone in a Europe, as this is a common weight for a lot of the male sailors in the class. Regards the Streaker the National Champion is a Radial sailor, so I would guess the competitive weight is similiar. |
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DiscoBall ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 03 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 305 |
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The Europe is definitely a great boat, I bought one for Ģ200 and have
had a lot of fun with it. I took it to the nationals and despite
being probably overweight (I'm 5'6" and 11 stone) for the boat (as well
as the boat being well overweight...) I managed a 4th in one of the
lightest races of the weekend. It's good far better handling than
a laser (which in comparison handles like a barge). Don't get too
hung up on the boom, it's a technique issue and you get used to it
quickly. There are definitely some deals to be had and you can
always buy a cheap hull and then mix and match the other bits as a lot
of the olympic girls have multiple sails and masts that they'll be
wanting to get rid of!
Lightning seems another popular boat for smaller lady helms, we've a number at my home club. Don't know much about them though. Good Luck T |
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Rob.e ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 545 |
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My experience of the Laser is that it's a particularly horrible boat to sail if you aren't the right weight to sail it, though it may be better with the new controls. Europe, Byte, lightning, are all much nicer, and I did wonder about the Streaker? It's billed as a lightweights boat, but I don't know how light! It may also not be so good on the sea. The Europe is probably the most demanding of the other 3, and has a slightly uncertain future due to loosing it's olympic place; OK so long as you don't pay too much!
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LizM ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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Hello! Regarding the Byte - I don't remember seeing any at my club - I'll do some asking around but they are mainly Lasers and Oppies. While I want to enter club racing initially I don't mind not having the same boat as everyone else - it's going to be a boat for me to learn in and get better in (hopefully!) I'm not sure there's much point getting a Laser if it's just going to be over powered constantly and it isn't the right boat to learn in... The Europe is also high up my list of possibilities - there isn't anyone in Cardiff with a Europe (that I know of!) but I have friend in Bristol who knows a lot about them so I'll ask him for his thoughts |
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LizM ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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err - I weigh 50kgs not 40kgs... if it was my weight you were talking about |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Guys Guys (and gal)
Let me tell you a few things that your coaches probably don't. 1)In most if not all adult classes maybe 10% of the fleet is in with even an outside chance of winning the championships. The rest are there because they enjoy sailing and racing. If you're not in that 10% its better to be in a boat that you enjoy sailing more than in a boat you might finish 3 places higher in. That way you have more fun. For most people it really is the taking part and not the winning. 2) Weight sensitivity in classes is relative... Its not about some magic weight that enables you to be powered up in some particular wind strength. The powered up state varies drmatically in different classes. Actually if the boat is weight sensitive then the right weight to be is exactly the average for the fleet, nothing else. In fact the "correct weight" for the Europe Olympic fleet was different to that for a mixed male and female series for exactly that reason! 3) Righting moment increases in proportion to your weight, but heeling moment increases to the square of windspeed. What this means in practice is that if you're around 20% lighter than the average for your fleet its like sailing in 1 wind force stronger than all the rest. So better too light than too heavy, especially if you're in a boat that has a well designed modern rig that will depower readily and in a controlled manner (ie not Laser, not Topper, but probably Europe and new Byte) Obviously don't go over the top, but if you're a 10kg underweight in a Byte you're going to be no more overpowered than right weight sailors in a 49er anyway. |
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Harry44981! ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736 |
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There are rya approved classes for juniors to learn in : topper, oppy, cadet and mirror which are finacially supported by the rya, but many people go a different route. I think weight is a huge issue if you want to sail even slightly competitively/ have fun. trust me it is NOT fun if youre a begginer and your in a boat youre too light in and cant handle, it can really put people off competitive sailing i've seen it happen before. Some companies let you test sail the boat.
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Spot192 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Nov 04 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 833 |
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i agree with alex c. weight isnīt the most important aspect in sailing
business. itīs needed of course, but you can have fun and can sail
succsessful with a low weight and the right trimm technic.
i donīt know how you all buy your boats in britain as a brit, but in germany you can test sail the boat you wanna buy. i always wanted to know with which boats your childs learn how to sail in the uk. iīve heard less about sailors who learned it in the optimist, which is the standart in germany. servus fiona |
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Alex C ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 18 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 108 |
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what about a splash? optimum crew weight 48-75kg apparently.
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