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jeffers 
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 Topic: PY numbers?Posted: 16 Nov 06 at 12:53pm |
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Terrible isn't it....I must be getting old!
Giving December a rest anyway as the boat needs to wonder off to the nice warm boat yard for a bit of tlc (and hopefully sort out the annoying little leak that has been bugging me for a while). Paul |
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Posted: 16 Nov 06 at 12:26pm |
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What What Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat??!!!! Family........Girlfriend.............Think of your poor lonely boat, spending its nights covered up with no one to talk to in its dinghy space looking forward to each weekend dreaming of being sailed, competing, RACING in all its splendor and glory! Do it for the boat, do it as a 'thanks for yet another great year' present. Race at the grand prix and let your boat know that it's at least worth that one day! ok.....maybe a bit dramatic Doug |
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jeffers
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Would love to have a crack at it but I can't get the necessary passes due to family and girlfriend :-S. Some of our Phantom crown were muttering about popping over though so you never know...... |
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Rob.e
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At HISC they recognise that in our typical conditions, fast boats do better than slow, so h/caps are adjusted up/down a couple of % at a split point (can't remember exactly where!) Works well as it is based on a lot of experience, though it is still normally a fast boat that wins the big handicap events. Portchester followed suit a season or so ago, and found it made no effective difference to overall results, though a lot of people felt better! |
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les5269
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 8:56pm |
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A square ? I thought it was more round than square We have some pretty shifty conditions at grafham and it's quite a bit larger! (p.s are you doing the Gran Prix this year?) Edited by les5269 |
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49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!
Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
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jeffers
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 2:14pm |
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Luckily Hunts lake is pretty much a square.......Just means they get to play with the shift winds near the trees.
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 1:18pm |
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Our lake is quite long and aligned along(ish) the prevailing wind so we often get either a long beat (hurrah!) and several deep reaches (boo!) or several short beats (Hmm) and some deep reaches (Booo!) followed by a really long run (BOOOO!!!). Of course if it's blowing old boots it's Hurrah! all round as I just plane all the way round the course! Don't think even the smartest, fairest RO could cope with a fair handicap for those conditions. |
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jeffers
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 1:09pm |
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PYs do rely on a fair course fo all types of boat as well. When I am RO at Hunts I walys try to make sure I get in 2 beats, 2 reaches and reasonable length run so all boats can play to their stregths.
There are days when we get no runs and I love it in the Blaze. When I sailed the Laser or the Fireball I preferred long runs as you can go deeper and faster (especially by the lee on starboard in a Laser....) Paul |
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Matt Jackson
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I agree. Unless you are willing to change every class PY that asks for it then it's just a good way of dividing your membership. You can only really adjust it if you have a big fleet with mixed ability. You don't really want change the handicap on a small fleet as they might all be very good and that esentially becomes a personal handicap for those sailors but applied to a whole fleet, inhibiting class growth. As a sailor of a class who's handicap varies dramatically above and below trapezing conditions (F3ish) I just take the long view in that these things even out over a series. Of course short series and one-off events are a bit of a lottery but that's life. |
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Razerlarf
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Posted: 15 Nov 06 at 12:05pm |
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IMHO, the sailing venue (open sea, tidal, tree lined reservoir) will
affect the fair handicap of any boat, so it makes sense to me, if you
have enough data, to adjust published PY #'s on an annual basis (as
suggested by the RYA), much as one makes annual returns.
Undoubtedly, daily variations are significant, but I would strongly advise against going there, unless you have a team of lawyers on your side  (Is that why some clubs in the USA use wind adjusted ratings  )And yes Personal Handicaps are a good leveler, but they are hard work for the handicapper, require a lot of data (to take out the daily effects), and all the time the sailors are probably getting better / the boat's wearing out  |
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