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Dinghy Show 2012 3-4 March

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Topic: Dinghy Show 2012 3-4 March
Posted By: x1testpilot
Subject: Dinghy Show 2012 3-4 March
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 9:44am
Anything happening this year at Alexandra Palace we should know about?

I look forward to meeting a lot of us forum folk there.

Chris and I will be on the X1 Stand F19, surprisingly near the Ale Bar in Hall 2 (West Hall - see http://www.lightning368.org/lnwp/filelibrary/classdocs/2012_show_plan.pdf - floor plan ).




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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 12:58pm
At some point I'll be on the b14 stand, C58 (stand B14 appears to be too small to fit a boat!), not-quite-opposite Y&Y

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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 1:54pm
I will probably go, I will be on the megabyte stand.  Do not expect to see me; I will be wearing a cloak of invisibility.

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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 2:09pm
The D1 stand looks to be about the same size as Laser Performance's corporate stand!

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Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 2:43pm
Loving the Bar next to the Phantom stand

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Posted By: x1testpilot
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 3:04pm
Perhaps we should all make badges of our avatars so we shall recognise our own? Evil Smile

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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 3:49pm
I will be on the Blackwater SC stand (G38) on the Sunday, shame its so far from any of the bars though!

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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 4:11pm
Marconi Sailing Club will be there again too. a_Dowley will be on our stand and I may be. As to which day I go, unsure at the moment.

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Posted By: Max McCarthy
Date Posted: 25 Jan 12 at 11:08pm
I will be there! But on no stand.

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Posted By: a_dowley
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 9:47am
Originally posted by radixon

Marconi Sailing Club will be there again too. a_Dowley will be on our stand and I may be. As to which day I go, unsure at the moment.

I will also be on the Tornado stand too.


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Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 9:54am
Originally posted by alstorer

The D1 stand looks to be about the same size as Laser Performance's corporate stand!

I don't understand Al???


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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 12:17pm
Stands I will be visiting include Hartley Boats for the kezzers, plus the kezzer stand itself, cherubs, int moths, europes, bytes, coffee, more coffee, extra coffee......a rant about how little veggie food there is, Jimmy Green for string.....more coffee, rooster.....ladies loo, more coffee....int 14s, harken for stickers....chocolate, cake, loo, rya stand for no reason at all.....coffee.....contender maybe.....d one....rs100....collapse....

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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by Ruscoe

Originally posted by alstorer

The D1 stand looks to be about the same size as Laser Performance's corporate stand!

I don't understand Al???
The D1 has quite a large stand marked out (large for a single class that is), whilst laser performance, with the same area, have a really rather small stand compared to the other big manufacturers. It's an interesting contrast.

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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 12:50pm
will you be on the D1 stand Russ as part of your contract? LOL


Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 1:02pm
Al can you post a link to the floor plan? James behave! No contract, but I may be there I mAy not

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 1:11pm
Urr Russ, its in the first post on this thread.

I will prob end up going at some point. Might be both days working on a stand but yet to find out if I can due to work (day job).


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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 1:18pm
I've only just noticed the numbers around the edges of the stands...
Assuming those are metres, the D-One has a 9x4 stand, LP has 10 x 5.
 
Ovi have 19 x 8
RS have 19 x 12
Hartley have 19 x 10
Topper International have 10 x 12 (and the Topper CA has a seperate stand)


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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 1:57pm
Look how small the LaserPerformance stand is.... I guess that's one of the advantages of having the RYA programme promote your product on their stand also.


Posted By: Peaky
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 2:28pm
I'll be there on the Saturday on the Icon stand. Mines a Guiness if you're coming via the bar...

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 3:06pm
Don't think i can make it, my working weekend always falls on the same weekend as the Dinghy Show so unless I can persaude someone to swap it is unlikely to happen.....

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Posted By: robinft
Date Posted: 26 Jan 12 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by alstorer

The D1 stand looks to be about the same size as Laser Performance's corporate stand!


Us big chaps need the elbow room.


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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 27 Jan 12 at 12:34am
I'm on the stand with a V3000 on the Saturday.  We're in the smaller hall this year, I gather. 
Come and test the weight.


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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 27 Jan 12 at 12:37pm
Just in case you haven't seen this on the homepage, 5 x pairs of RYA Volvo Dinghy Show tickets up for grabs in our competition: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/competition/1/Win-tickets-to-the-RYA-Volvo-Dinghy-Show">http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/competition/1/Win-tickets-to-the-RYA-Volvo-Dinghy-Show Smile


Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 7:53am
 Things we want to see .... David Henshall's talk, the West Corridor display and lots of friends.
 
To buy:  yet another buoyancy aid for himself to lose by the end of the season!
 
 


Posted By: Max McCarthy
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 8:46am
Things I want to see.................David's talk, ic stand, moth stand, Farr 3.7, jack holt display, hopefully meet some people I know from the cvrda but meet them in real life, buy some stuff, try and see as many other stand as possible, show my dad real boats, that I might teach him to sail on (fireball, firefly etc.), ask about Wraysbury Jack Holt centenary reggatta, eat some food, realise there are other halls, and rush around them to see as much as possible, eat more food, return home by train as late as possible. I am going on Sunday, what day are you going on?

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Posted By: Hughph
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 9:48am
I will be there both on saturday afternoon and sunday- on the Farr 3.7 stand- so come and pop over, say hi ( Jack Sparrow and I will be there) and take a look at a great boat and some building plans for it! 

See ya there


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Posted By: Max McCarthy
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 9:52am
I look forward to it, one thing I specifically want to see is the Farr 3.7!

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Posted By: Hughph
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 12:31pm
Great- forgot to say it is the SPINLOCK stand- B52. 




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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 8:46pm
oh yes, I will be in the dougaldog fan club too!

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Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 29 Jan 12 at 10:59pm
elaine and i will be there on the sunday, loitering around the british moth and possibly the lightning stand.


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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 31 Jan 12 at 1:30pm
what... use a pass to travel miles to stand around and talk about sailing rather than actually doing any?  F*ck that, it sounds like knowingly driving to an open meeting when there's guaranteed no wind! 


Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 31 Jan 12 at 1:36pm
its a bit like spending hours on line talking about sailing instead of doing it!!!!!!!!Wink

but at least at the show you talk to people not trolls!Big smile


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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Jan 12 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by rogue

to stand around and talk about sailing rather than actually doing any?

Well, you're the guy who appeared to me to say that the best bit about college sailing was getting the booze down your throat in the evening rather than sailing during the day.


Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 31 Jan 12 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by rogue

to stand around and talk about sailing rather than actually doing any?

Well, you're the guy who appeared to me to say that the best bit about college sailing was getting the booze down your throat in the evening rather than sailing during the day.

to be fair Jim-- Laser 2's without the kite and trap... the pure sailing experience isn't exactly great, but throw into the mix teams, camaraderie, interesting applications of tactics and rules, it's all muscle on the backbone of a first rate university social scene... the lash, as it I actually referred to it as, is a lot more than how many units you can consume. 


Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 31 Jan 12 at 2:33pm
Originally posted by ex laser

its a bit like spending hours on line talking about sailing instead of doing it!!!!!!!!Wink

I'd love to say if I could be out on the water right now rather than here, behind a desk with various browser screens open.  But I just looked out of the window; there's no wind and it's fecking cold, so I'd be lying....


Posted By: Max McCarthy
Date Posted: 01 Feb 12 at 5:20pm
What would you say is the best bit about this years show? I have never been so I want to make the most out of this one, a few of my already priority to visit are, David's talk, Farr 3.7 stand, ic stand, and moth stand. These are the things I most want to see right now, but what else would you really say are really worth seeing?

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 01 Feb 12 at 6:07pm
The Holt exhibition will be worth a visit, and there will probebly be Olympians around - 4 shows ago my son got various autographs, including BA's, and my wife had a nice time chatting up the 49er boys...(she didn't put it like that!)


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Posted By: Max McCarthy
Date Posted: 01 Feb 12 at 7:06pm
Who is on the holt stand? I seem to remember reading that Pat was on it?

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 01 Feb 12 at 8:10pm
I love going, you meet folk you haven't seen for a bit, see new boats and buy them, chuckle at the antiques roadshow, ignore anything the RYA or squad thousand yard starers have to say or offer, each year get to realise a little bit more what all the ropes on a five oh are for, look at the canoes, the contenders, check out the stick insects, say hello to the RS and D1 folk, drop a tear gas bomb on the cherub stand, visit the Luddites on the blaze stand and wonder how things could have been so different in this dimension, drink crap tea, eat a crap snack, waste money on expensive hiking bondage aids and leave, buying a bird stand from the garden centre you parked in for free.

Everyone has their own show, all the dinghy world is there, it's different things to different folk, this year I shall be studying blocks and rigging systems in a bit more depth and no doubt spending more cash I shouldn't.


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Posted By: Roger
Date Posted: 02 Feb 12 at 8:33am
Originally posted by Max McCarthy

What would you say is the best bit about this years show? I have never been so I want to make the most out of this one, a few of my already priority to visit are, David's talk, Farr 3.7 stand, ic stand, and moth stand. These are the things I most want to see right now, but what else would you really say are really worth seeing?
 
Everybody will have certain stands they "want" to see, and talks they "want" to hear, but I would suggest you keep an open mind about the show...
 
It's small enough that you can hope to see everything, yet big enough that unless you don't go round a second time you will find you've missed some gems.
 
Its amazing how some great ideas come from some of the most unlikely sources, so make time to look at all the stands and chat to as many people as possible. I always take a camera as I forget half of what I've seen before I even get home.
 
I always find I end up meeting people I haven't seen for years, but thats one of the great things about sailing, you can pick up exactly where you left off when you last bumped into each other..
 
 
 


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 02 Feb 12 at 11:05am
Originally posted by Max McCarthy

Who is on the holt stand? I seem to remember reading that Pat was on it?


I'm not sure - I know one of the cvrda members will have his GP14 there, but other than that, no clue.

Oh, Fireball No6 will be on the Fireball stand, I believe, as they celebrate 50 years.

As the others said, though, just go and enjoy, and remember, the exhibitors generally love to chat!


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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 02 Feb 12 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by Roger

[QUOTE=Max McCarthy] 
I always find I end up meeting people I haven't seen for years, but thats one of the great things about sailing, you can pick up exactly where you left off when you last bumped into each other..
 
 


I do that, and I think how old and fat/thin they look, then realise they're thinking the same about me... Confused


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Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 03 Feb 12 at 1:36pm
Not on a stand but we usually go around handing out cvrda event leaflets at every opportunity.


Posted By: Max McCarthy
Date Posted: 03 Feb 12 at 3:20pm
I look forward to seeing a leaflet, what do they look like?

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Posted By: andybury
Date Posted: 04 Feb 12 at 11:41am

The GP14's have the new Winder GP14 on the stand as well as a paintcraft Duffin. https://picasaweb.google.com/102997074385772115827/NewWinderGP14#5688526079854615442 - https://picasaweb.google.com/102997074385772115827/NewWinderGP14#5688526079854615442

This years sails on display will be Elite and the new HD sails.
 
 


Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 06 Feb 12 at 9:56pm
What is the measure by which the success, or otherwise , of a class's appearance at the Dinghy Show can be judged?
 
In 2012, has any Class/Manufacturer got the balls to say/estimate after the event how many orders are generated by their participation.....or not? No secret that Excel and Southampton's effect is limited....
 
Wonderful social event for the yachteratti it may be, but does it actually make any significant difference to punters' choices these days?


Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 06 Feb 12 at 10:35pm
I'll let you know! I think / hope / believe the show will make a sizeable difference to the 3.7 in the Uk.

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Posted By: Max McCarthy
Date Posted: 06 Feb 12 at 10:50pm
I think you can almost garuentee that the 3.7 fleet size will atleast double after the show! Lol LOL

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Feb 12 at 8:57am
Originally posted by Max McCarthy

I look forward to seeing a leaflet, what do they look like?


I don't think they have been designed yet...


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 07 Feb 12 at 10:01am
Originally posted by Max McCarthy

I look forward to seeing a leaflet, what do they look like?

Firelighters


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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 07 Feb 12 at 11:41am
Hi all

I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread before, but you can download the RYA Volvo Dinghy Show guide for free at http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/rya-dinghy-show-guide-official-download/ - http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/rya-dinghy-show-guide-official-download/

Cheers, Mark


Posted By: robinft
Date Posted: 07 Feb 12 at 11:42am
Thanks Mark. Are you in a position to follow-up on the Zinio thread and if not ask whoever is able to, to do so?

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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 07 Feb 12 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by robinft

Thanks Mark. Are you in a position to follow-up on the Zinio thread and if not ask whoever is able to, to do so?


Just been in contact with them - I understand the person who uploads to Zinio was ill last week. They say that the usual aim is to upload to Zinio the same day, or day before, the print edition is out.


Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 08 Feb 12 at 7:09pm
I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread before, but you can download the RYA Volvo Dinghy Show guide for free
But we got already got it free with Y&Y??


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 08 Feb 12 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by patj

I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread before, but you can download the RYA Volvo Dinghy Show guide for free
But we got already got it free with Y&Y??


Paper is so last year. I wonder how many people will be walking around the show with this on their iPads/iPhones? Snap us a picture if you spot someone Tongue


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Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 08 Feb 12 at 10:24pm
I will be one of them, with my iPad.. Look for the cracked screen!!

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Posted By: x1testpilot
Date Posted: 10 Feb 12 at 11:33am
Originally posted by Mark Jardine

Hi all

http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/rya-dinghy-show-guide-official-download/ - http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/rya-dinghy-show-guide-official-download/


Cry Unfortunately the on-line versions have duplicated p30 onto P28 which is the exhibition map - probably the main page people want to see .

Mark can you let them know?


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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 10 Feb 12 at 12:42pm
so the people looking at their ipads will be the ones going aimlessly round in circles....

oh, but I do that anyway....Confused


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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 10 Feb 12 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by x1testpilot

Originally posted by Mark Jardine

Hi all

http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/rya-dinghy-show-guide-official-download/ - http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/rya-dinghy-show-guide-official-download/


Cry Unfortunately the on-line versions have duplicated p30 onto P28 which is the exhibition map - probably the main page people want to see .

Mark can you let them know?

Same with the Offline PDF version.




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Posted By: Downliners
Date Posted: 10 Feb 12 at 7:35pm
Hi all,

Apologies for this - we've now sorted the repeating page issue.  You can see the whole thing as it was meant to be seen here:  http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/rya-dinghy-show-guide-official-download/ - http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/rya-dinghy-show-guide-official-download

Thanks for flagging it up!

Luke,
Y&Y



Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 5:04pm
Wander around, buying things you didn't know you needed before you saw them and meeting interesting people.... never bought a guide, it would be too much like preperation!

....anyone know where the North Circular annual "Dinghy Show roadworks" are taking place this year?


Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 23 Feb 12 at 7:01pm
on the M25 - J23 to 25 I think

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Posted By: kingdacks
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 3:33pm
Why arnt laser performance there? I need to buy a new sail.Youd think the biggest dinghy company in the world would be in attendance

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Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 4:54pm
Just what I was wondering..


Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 6:58pm
I think they are. The plan on page 1 of this thread shows them on stand B16. However you never see any of the builders supplying sails at the dinghy show. I guess they are too bulky and take up too much space on the stand.
 
I know Topper and RS only show boats and do not sell any chandelry or boat spares.


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Posted By: didlydon
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 3:57pm
If you ask very nicely they might take along to the show bulky stuff you've ordered from them.... RS did this for me a couple of years ago to save me the postage on a large item.....Thumbs Up

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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by kingdacks

Why arnt laser performance there? I need to buy a new sail.Youd think the biggest dinghy company in the world would be in attendance

biggest dinghy company in the world?  LP?  What including the pushchairs from their parent company?  

I think GS might have a view on that....


Posted By: ham4sand
Date Posted: 28 Feb 12 at 10:11pm
ill be there defending the cherub stand from tear gas attack

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 9:14am
That's nothing John. I'm taking my stab vest. I'll be helping Bas and Andy on the RYA stand, talking PY's most of the weekend....

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 9:14am
Originally posted by rogue

Originally posted by kingdacks

Why arnt laser performance there? I need to buy a new sail.Youd think the biggest dinghy company in the world would be in attendance

biggest dinghy company in the world?  LP?  What including the pushchairs from their parent company?  

I think GS might have a view on that....


GS?


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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 9:23am
Global Sailing... the other party in the bun fight over rights etc


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 9:35am
Originally posted by ham4sand

ill be there defending the cherub stand from tear gas attack

That'll save me having one go off in my pocket again WinkLOL

So I shall be there saturday, doing my usual round of the Vortex stand, then the Alto, no doubt I'll run into ex windsurfers here and there, but my main task is re-examining or should I say exhumation of old wood rig systems, to have a look at adjustable stays, I'm coming round to the view that I want a variable front sail, maybe a furling jib/gennaker so anything that might assist that.

I'm also concerned that the foot length of the kite I have is all wrong so I'm going to have a look at the IC Assyms in more detail, now I know the boat bit works, I need to get a decent rig to shove it along, so I'm having a bit of a rethink and what better place to do it than at that show..

I shall go and ask dumbass questions at the D1 stand, have another look at the Supernova, I've come to enjoy sailing down our local lake this past couple of sunday mornings, but it's totally unsuitable for my long legged monster (I doubt it's even 5 acres), so I fancy some little knockabout that I can lock up and leave.

So lots to think about and look out for.


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Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 10:00am
Originally posted by chrisg

That's nothing John. I'm taking my stab vest. I'll be helping Bas and Andy on the RYA stand, talking PY's most of the weekend....


you will have no problems with sailors and yardsticks, but i would keep the stab vest on just in case there are any draycote windsurfers about!!!!!!WinkLOL



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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 11:19am
Duncan, I have windsurfed at Draycote for about the last ten years but I'm not allowed in "the gang" as I'm not on facebook.

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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 12:57pm
Oddly enough, if you want to be in the offline gang, then you need to get your kit out from the back of the garage once in a while... I hope to join you once things are calmer with the new little one.

But you are very, very welcome to take part in the online gang chris (which I think is what you are referring to)- well it's hardly elitist- even Duncan's on there ;-) !!!  The Facebook page is open to all- members, non-members, equipment suppliers, coaches, friends of friends.....  

please check it out:

http://www.facebook.com/draycotewindsurfers - http://www.facebook.com/draycotewindsurfers


that's kind of the point- to spread the love a bit, keep people informed of what's going on and share stories and things after sailing; who knows it might even help retain some of the members by making them feel they are part of something rather than a second class citizens to the dinghy sailors as many currently do.  

If you want to take part in this small, informal aspect then you need to be on Facebook, the same way as you need your user ID to post on here, or an email address to receive emails or a telephone to make and receive calls.  If you don't want to join Facebook- fair enough, that's your call, but FYI, the security measures are fairly robust these days if you want a restricted account- it might not be as scary as you think. 




Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:14pm
[QUOTE=rogue]

But you are very, very welcome to take part in the online gang chris (which I think is what you are referring to)- well it's hardly elitist- even Duncan's on there ;-) !!!  The Facebook page is open to all- members, non-members, equipment suppliers, coaches, friends of friends.....  

please check it out:

http://www.facebook.com/draycotewindsurfers - http://www.facebook.com/draycotewindsurfers


its true chris, they even let me join!!!!!!!!Wink

and i have tried windsurfing in the past, and found it the most boring water sport ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL


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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 1:32pm
I don't believe anyone needs to 'let anyone join'- follow and comment if you want, don't if you don't... free world n' all that.  Chris doesn't want to take part because he doesn't want to join facebook- fair enough, I knew people who said the same about email in the 90's.  But on a one-to-one, thanks for your contribution Duncan- external eyes help add context to discussion.

Windsurfing can be very frustrating initially- and if you can already sail a dinghy then I can see why you'd find it boring.  I've got a mate who's a very good skier, she decided to board one year and get lessons... after a day on her arse on the baby slopes she realised she only had a limited amount of time in the mountains, so took the board back and hired some skis to join the rest of us.  

I wouldn't try and persuade you to give windsurfing another shot, anymore than I'd tell her to stick with boarding... choose your own toys, enjoy it- that's all that matters.


Posted By: ex laser
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by rogue

I don't believe anyone needs to 'let anyone join'- follow and comment if you want, don't if you don't... free world n' all that.  Chris doesn't want to take part because he doesn't want to join facebook- fair enough, I knew people who said the same about email in the 90's.  But on a one-to-one, thanks for your contribution Duncan- external eyes help add context to discussion.

Windsurfing can be very frustrating initially- and if you can already sail a dinghy then I can see why you'd find it boring.  I've got a mate who's a very good skier, she decided to board one year and get lessons... after a day on her arse on the baby slopes she realised she only had a limited amount of time in the mountains, so took the board back and hired some skis to join the rest of us.  

I wouldn't try and persuade you to give windsurfing another shot, anymore than I'd tell her to stick with boarding... choose your own toys, enjoy it- that's all that matters.


cheers james, always try to be positive on it. i do not even sail at draycote( or even like windsurfing), so its not my place to tell you what do or how to do it,  but i do know chris and stu, so am hopeful some compromise can be reached.

i try and save my stupid opinions, snide coments and general bile for this forum!!!!!!!!!!LOL


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Posted By: x1testpilot
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 2:56pm
Chris has just announced the X0 (see dinghy forum and www.X0dinghy.co.uk ) Come and see us at the X1 stand and find out more.

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by rogue

Oddly enough, if you want to be in the offline gang, then you need to get your kit out from the back of the garage once in a while... I hope to join you once things are calmer with the new little one.

But you are very, very welcome to take part in the online gang chris (which I think is what you are referring to)- well it's hardly elitist- even Duncan's on there ;-) !!!  The Facebook page is open to all- members, non-members, equipment suppliers, coaches, friends of friends.....  

please check it out:

http://www.facebook.com/draycotewindsurfers - http://www.facebook.com/draycotewindsurfers


that's kind of the point- to spread the love a bit, keep people informed of what's going on and share stories and things after sailing; who knows it might even help retain some of the members by making them feel they are part of something rather than a second class citizens to the dinghy sailors as many currently do.  

If you want to take part in this small, informal aspect then you need to be on Facebook, the same way as you need your user ID to post on here, or an email address to receive emails or a telephone to make and receive calls.  If you don't want to join Facebook- fair enough, that's your call, but FYI, the security measures are fairly robust these days if you want a restricted account- it might not be as scary as you think. 




Thanks for that James, believe it or not I did actually windsurf last year, and quite a few times. Not gonna do it in the cold water though at the mo as I WILL fall in.
Yes, not being on facebook is my choice, but i'd asked Mark to add me to the windsurf mailing list long before the facebook page was in existence and nothing ever came of that.
While I can only see the first thread of each sort of conversation thing (no idea how facebook works) as I can't login, it seems from the outside that that site was set up to do anything but spread the love....


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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 29 Feb 12 at 10:14pm
Well that's is your opinion, from seeing the first lines of some recent contentious posts- totally justified, the renewal letters stank, were poorly thought out and all against a backdrop where most windsurfers were under the illusion the committee were looking into the pricing policies that might have reduced their bills- not increased them, removed parking requirements and demanded 4 sessions a year of bar duties/bog scrubbing in a clubhouse most couldn't care about...

If you go back pre-renewal letters, then there's no negativity or critique- quite the contrary there's contributions from beginners, seasoned sailors, muppets like me, training events with sam ross organised by onboard, piccies from MarkD and even some contributions from former? member, now pro sailor working for witchy in Fuerte.  FWIW- I have tried to split the recent politics crap up a bit with some lighthearted banter like this...




Regarding the email list- I'm not sure whether that's an official email list or not, is it managed by the committee or the office as part of their communication methods?  Mark isn't on the committee, for all intents and purposes, his list is personal address book and you can surely understand him being reluctant to canvass opinions from committee members who allegedly unanimously voted in the changes that have caused the furore in the first place- without any consultation with any members whatsoever.

Perhaps if you joined Facebook you could participate and help diffuse the recent 'negativity'- all views are welcome, even those of the committee!!!  

Looking forward to seeing you on the water, and sadly in it, as that's goes with the territory!


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 8:42am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

... now I know the boat bit works,
 
LOL that made me laugh ....
 
How do you know it works? Have you sailed if across the wind range in various sea states single handed? Tested it against other dinghies?
 
It looks enormous and far to much for a single person to sail on a lumpy sea in 25 knots .... a job for the RNLI for sure...
 
... and as for that bow; poke that into some chop and half the sea will be down the chute, there is a reason Fireballs switched to bags decades ago.
 
 
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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 9:33am
Originally posted by seamonkey

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It looks enormous and far to much for a single person to sail on a lumpy sea in 25 knots .... a job for the RNLI for sure...
 
... and as for that bow; poke that into some chop and half the sea will be down the chute, there is a reason Fireballs switched to bags decades ago.
 
 
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Well that will always be a womans viewpoint, things do tend to look a bit scary to girls sea monkey, but don't worry, I'll be fine. There is more chance of you winning the round sheppey in your Mirror, than the nose of the V twin submarining. That's why it is the length it is, so it can handle the wave length in the channel.
And what if it did clip the top off one, there's nowhere for the water to go, that chute isn't a hole into the bowels of some old scow like a fireball. You really have to pay more attention, spend less time at pilates and more sailing stuff if you want to play on forums with men who actually sail stuff other than a keyboard..


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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 9:42am
When you have more experience you will know that any boat with a chute that takes a few big waves over the front will have water collecting in the sail that is made into the perfect funnel through the process of stowing by the downhaul patch; I predict you will need to burn a large number of drain holes in your downhaul patches ... but then you don't want to listen to a Mirror sailor.


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 11:08am
Er why would you be sailing a following sea without the kite up lass? 

Not been on the sea much have you girl?

If you want to pick up potential weaknesses that might worry me, note the racks are 3.20mtrs wide and could dig in, they if anything are the more likely source of issues on the sea, not nose dives, it's got sufficient rocker to deal with that.

LOLHa you're going to love this...

I've just noticed the likely date for its sea baptism - Sunday April 1st that's the 1st weekend there will be rescue cover for club racing.LOL




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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 11:43am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

 note the racks are 3.20mtrs wide
I've just noticed the likely date for its sea baptism - Sunday April 1st that's the 1st weekend there will be rescue cover for club racing.LOL


3.2m wide - what is the sail area?
 
I'm travelling back from Devon on 1st April but may get back in time to travel down to Hythe to see you take it out - depending on tides that day. Would love to see it in the flesh.


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 11:51am
They claim (Laser Vortex) that the main is 10.5, and the jib, not sure what it comes off, either a 200 or maybe that K1, but it looks to be shy of 3 sqmtr, I haven't measured it. It all felt fine that day back in the summer down at Calshot, it also felt OK a week last sunday when again it was puffy, it was just last sunday when it was very light, that I felt distinctly undercanvassed. It takes a quite big gust for me even to be able to sit on the first rung of the racks, never mind sit on the canvas bit.

Which is why I shall be looking for furler systems to vary the size of the foresail at the show, trouble is what it may need in light winds could become an embarrassment in any sort of breeze.


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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 11:56am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Er why would you be sailing a following sea without the kite up lass? 
 
Sometimes when sailing upwind on the sea waves have been known to come over the bow ...
 
With your design which looks much like the front of a topper all the water will be collecting in the sail Confused


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by seamonkey

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Er why would you be sailing a following sea without the kite up lass? 
 
Sometimes when sailing upwind on the sea waves have been known to come over the bow ...
 
With your design which looks much like the front of a topper all the water will be collecting in the sail Confused


It's ok, GRF is such a manly man he won't even notice hoisting an extra 20kg of water up with the spinnaker. Wink


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 1:25pm
Well we'll have to beg to differ, or we could have fifty quid on it not being a problem.
Going upwind in waves is not the same dynamic as going down, going down the boat is driving into the back of a wave, going up wind the wave, often already broken has less pressure and drains away quickly especially as I said before, when there is nowhere for it to gather, which would require the loose cloth of the spinnaker to be supported in some way which it isn't it's a flat deck, get some help, therapy would be good, maybe a sex change, grow some balls, it stops you worrying about trivia.

Trust me, the boat has two achilles heels, one is the rack width, the other is the massive wetted surface in light air, then they were known issues from the off, but, just like a formula windsurf board or a hybrid, once the planing threshold is achieved it releases massively and skips over the water surface. This I know to be true because it's already been experienced, what I haven't as yet ascertained is wether flying a hull upwind in waves is going to be possible, because of the racks.


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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 1:49pm
Time to put the handbags down and get back on topic...

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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 1:50pm
GRF - what angles are your racks at, relative to the water?

Gathering all the DS news together is a nice touch BTW


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.



Trust me, the boat has two achilles heels, one is the rack width, the other is the massive wetted surface in light air,


I can think of another..... LOL


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Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 01 Mar 12 at 5:51pm
And another, when you're trying to haul a kite down that chute the lines are going to dig into those angles at the mouth.


Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 02 Mar 12 at 4:44pm
having just got back from setting up the Farr 3.7 on the Spinlock stand and having a sneaky look around... all I can say is the ARUA looks beautiful, and a spectacularly well made boat. Just hope it doesn't get selected for the Olympics now, so mortals don't get put off buying 'em and thus creating a great class.

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Posted By: popeye_ali
Date Posted: 03 Mar 12 at 4:12pm
Can you pay for things by card at the show, or cash only?

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Posted By: ham4sand
Date Posted: 03 Mar 12 at 4:44pm
everyone normally has card readers

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Posted By: haroosh
Date Posted: 03 Mar 12 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by seamonkey

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Er why would you be sailing a following sea without the kite up lass? 
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Sometimes when sailing upwind on the sea waves have been known to come over the bow ...

 

With your design which looks much like the front of a topper all the water will be collecting in the sail Confused


The rs200 used to annoy me intensely the way the spinnaker chute used to act as a funnell for water to pour down in the chop in any sort of sea. Constant fore and aft trimming need to try and limit the effect. I had to say the gaping moth of the vortex funboat does look like it may take some water if it gets remotely near the bow. I will prepare to be amazed if t isn't an issue at sea.

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Posted By: drifter
Date Posted: 03 Mar 12 at 8:35pm
Just back from the show. Thought it was excellent. Lots of impressive boats and products, and helpful stand personnel. Met some really interesting people too. Plenty of historic boats (GRF's firewood) and got the usual rope bargains. RS900 looks mental...

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 03 Mar 12 at 9:20pm
Well I had a good day, best boat in the show by far is the Aura, it's a beautifully crafted boat, with fabulous lines and carbon all round wrap racks, a new (to me) rudder system, interesting sails and spars, so much to like about it, I hope it succeeds for them.
The 900 was great, there were a few similarities in the layout with my boat, only done properly and finished the way it should have been. It does look a tad reminiscent of the 49er so not really that different, but some cool features nonetheless.

I'm on a photograph every sheeting and pulley system of interest in the show, mission so I've now got loads of ideas to consider. There was a half decent cat I liked the look of, (the rig bit not the cat bit) can't remember what it was called now, built by some eyties.

There was a well tricked out Cherub, a bit too green for my liking (green is unlucky at sea)but it was very tidy I spent a while admiring it which is unusual given it's a cherub. 

The Alto stand was enjoying a brisk trade so I didn't hang around too long, had my soup and went off again to complete the mission. I studied the IC in a bit more detail than I normally do, now I'm beginning to get a grip as to what all the ropes and pulleys do, I think there's a distinct danger in overdoing it but I can see why and how it happens, they're very addictive.

Met and had a chat with demo donkey, he's lost weight, all that humping the D1 about has slimmed him right down, claims to have loss the equivalent of me in a week, I took that in the same vein as I did his praise of his fine boat.

I ran into Mark in the ailse and a couple of other windsurfing acquaintances, had a chat with Chris Turner, met a useful guy from B14 world who has some foot straps I need, and all in all had an excellent morning and left with loads of ideas and a lot more work and with a feeling of slight inadequacy when comparing my craft with some of the complexities of others, then that might not be such a bad thing.

If you are thinking of going check out that Aura, it is such a thing of beauty, i had to go back a couple of times, I so wish I'd asked them to do this v2 thing of mine they 'd have made such a better job of it.


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