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New harken clew sleeve for laser!

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Topic: New harken clew sleeve for laser!
Posted By: mattmd
Subject: New harken clew sleeve for laser!
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 4:50pm

Hiya

does anyone know anything about this:

What are the advantages/disadvantages etc

the link is below + pic

Thanks

Matt

http://www.lasersailing.com/shop/uks/product/5203 - http://www.lasersailing.com/shop/uks/product/5203

http://www.lasersailing.com/shop/uks/product/5203">


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Matt MD
Contender GBR-620




Replies:
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 6:24pm
I hate to be facetious (honestly ) but this is a bit
of daft
question, even by my standards. Is it not a bit obvious?

You stick it on the end of your boom and it makes the
out haul run a little bit smoother. It tells you what it
does in the blurb on the website you linked us to!

"Produced by Harken, a combination of a low friction
metal sleeve and ball bearing block facilitates easy
outhaul adjustment and will ease more smoothly in light
air Clew rigging is easier and is keeps the sail flush
with the boom
. The sleeve comes fully assembled and
mounted on a display card that includes rigging and use
instructions"



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Ross
If you can't carry it, don't sail it!


Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 7:28pm

Originally posted by Ross

...and mounted on a display card that includes rigging and use
instructions"

Rigging: Put it on your boom. Attach to both sail and outhaul.

Use: Move towards mast to add curvature to sail. And vice versa.



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English Dave
http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club

(You'd think I'd be better at it by now)

Hurricane 5.9 SX
RS700


Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 8:34pm
My 'pre-owned' Laser came with one of these already fitted, it looks very flash and the theory is good but in reality it doesn't slide along the boom half as well as it ought to. I took off the split pin and removed the stainless-steel collar - this leaves just the hook and 16mm airblock attached to the outhaul and I use one of the Velcro clew straps with this set-up - seems to work OK,

Nigel. 

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I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg)

Graduate 2530 'Galaxy'


Posted By: mattmd
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 9:03pm

i didnt mean i like that i just wanted to know if anyone knew if it worked better than the standard hook with velcro strap.

Matt



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Matt MD
Contender GBR-620



Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 9:13pm
The advantag with it in theory that you can get the sail closer to the boom and as such can have a tighter leech, therefore can point better.  Its a neat bit of kit but im with Nigel on this one, i took my one off and sold it on e-bay and then reverted back to the rooster velcro strap!

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Posted By: pondscum
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 9:25pm
I got one of these as I have had the velcro clew straps
come off (the new ones seem a bit better designs). It
does make taking the sail off the boom easier on a lee
jetty.

The main problem is when any grit gets under the sleeve
when on shore or if the boom end drops in the pond mud
(typically if I leave the 8.1 tied up at the jetty). The
sleeve does not slide very well. I therefore spray the
boom with PFTE every couple of months to sort this out -
it then slides better than the velcro strap (although I
never bothered with PFTE for that).

The problem with spraying PFTE is - don't get it on the
deck as you will slip when hiking and fall in!


Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 9:56pm
I know when they first came out Jon E was not a fan of them, even Paul Goodison doesn't use it. I had the velcro and it was fine for me once I realised the best way of doing it!



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Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 10:54pm
I think the above picture would decide it for me!

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Neil



Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 06 May 09 at 11:01pm
Yes but think how much better he would have done if he
had some sort of Harken boom sleeve to attach that Union
Jack to his hand. Rather than using the old fashioned
"fingers gripping" technique.

(not that much better, obviously)

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English Dave
http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club

(You'd think I'd be better at it by now)

Hurricane 5.9 SX
RS700


Posted By: A Seabadger
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 3:48pm
I love my Harken boom sleeve. No more velcro coming undone at awkward moments, easy to undo when landing (especailly on a lee shore or in a blow), it's attached to the boom so doesn't get lost. I agree that the occasional silicone spray is required. I wouldn't like to go back to velcro now.

- SeaBagders mum (she's left the computer on again!)

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I don't suffer from insanity...I enjoy every moment of it.


Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 4:24pm
I think aside from them being equally as close to the boom, thus tightening the leech (higher pointing), the extra benefit you get from being able to land on a lee jetty or lee shore with it, is great, I am definetly going to buy one.


Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 11:23pm
Originally posted by kanga

the extra benefit you get from being able to land on a lee jetty or lee shore with it, is great, I am definetly going to buy one.


whatever happened to the untie the knot in the end of the mainsheet (outboard end of the boom) technique we all used to use when lee shore landing, rather than trying to undo the clew of the sail


Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 07 May 09 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by A Seabadger



- SeaBagders mum (she's left the computer on again!)


Will she ever learn?


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Vareo - 149 "Secrets"
http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk - TandyUK Servers


Posted By: mattmd
Date Posted: 08 May 09 at 11:26pm

Thanks for your comments

This really helped

Matt

 



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Matt MD
Contender GBR-620



Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 11 May 09 at 10:29am

As you can see a split opinion. Having seen that state of some peoples booms who use them (anodising scraped off in a very short time period) I will stick with my velcro strap. Works very well, slides easily and has never cause me an issue aisde from when one of them ripped in 2 during a training session. Iit was blow dogs off chains though and the strap was in need of replacement (one those, oh I will do it next time jobs).

Gave me a nice swim anyway....

Oh and the pic of Goody was taken before the boom sleeves were class legal I believe... Those who advocate PTFE spray (or something similar) also note this is not class legal either but there is a rule change going through to allow it.



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Paul
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D-Zero GBR188
Ex Rooster 8.1 '11'
Ex Laser 167534
Ex Blaze 655


Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 14 May 09 at 5:58pm
The pic of goody is in china isnt it? I know that because hes using the Southern Ropes yellow mainsheet which is the same as the new red XD one but lighter.  The boom sleeves were class legal long before that! They just arent very good... I find the rooster clew strap better than the laser velcro one.  Another tip is to get rid of those rubbish harken twisted hooks, they come undone so often!  The old holt ones were much better! Better still get a closed hook or tie the block straight to the sail, then to come into a lee shore just untie the meansheet from the end of the boom and drift in.

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Posted By: ColH
Date Posted: 22 Jan 17 at 4:30pm
Apologies for raising this thread from the dead, but if anyone has one of these sleeves that they don't want, then I'd be interested in purchasing! (Don't want the hook or block, just the sleeve)


Posted By: piglet
Date Posted: 23 Jan 17 at 9:25pm
Originally posted by mattmd

i didnt mean i like that i just wanted to know if anyone knew if it worked better than the standard hook with velcro strap.


Matt



Matt, if you mean take the hook part and fit it to a conventional velcro strap then yes I have tried that.
Advantages: quicker to rig, Velcro doesn't wear.
Disadvantage: not quite so tight on the boom (so?)

I also improved the slide performance of the Harken metal sleeve thingy by illegally sticking a layer of Hmdpe 'Anti-wear' tape around the inside of the sleeve.
Works much better but grit would still be a problem.



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